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Originally Posted by Regularguy
(Post 1602321)
Hope and others who seem to think walking the picket line makes them a hero. Here's my take, it was what I was expected to do and a part of being a pilot for United Airlines. I did my duty then as a part of the pilot group as a whole as I do it now by following and supporting the contract we all live under today.
We, who walked the line just did what we had to do, nothing more, nothing less and I believe the expectation for all you who may be called in the future will do the same.
Originally Posted by Regularguy
(Post 1602254)
hope
"Did you willingly quit United to go to work for Continental? " What? Where did you get that idea? How do I say this nicely? When I got hired by UAL in late 70s CAL was my second choice. They had a reputation on the West Coast that was above everyone. I applied and UAL called and this is where I've been since. If I had been hired at CAL I'd been a "crawl back" who held out until the end from the strike of 83. Had I been looking for a job CAL would have been my last choice up until the Bethune era. In the past few years (prior to the merge) I have been encouraging the young pilot I know looking for a job to apply at CAL because of the age of the Seniority list and the expected airplane orders. The only reason I would have "willingly quit" UAL would have come from crossing the 85 picket line (I didn't BTW I carried a sign until the last day). UAL, especially in the early day after the strike, was a horrible place for scabs to work. Frankly I don't know how they stayed with us. Moving on, any more questions? How about you, have you ever really walked a picket line at UAL (or anywhere else) or just talk tough about it? |
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"Threads like this make me wish I was still in prison with James." So what do you want, all the drama of name calling like, I'm a UAL pilot or CAL pilot (enter your choice) and the rest of you suck? Well I'm an Ex-UAL pilot and I think this airline (not sure what to call it anymore) will get by. Yawnnnnnn |
Hope
I rarely talk about the strike of 85 anymore (I got over it a long time ago, and I'm neither a champ or a hero because of it), I do talk about how the new SOPs are _________ You can fill in the blank(s). Moving on.... |
Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp05
(Post 1602080)
You guys amaze me! Go ahead and vote YES to give away scope, accept pay less than Delta, etc but you better wear a piece of jewelry or else! Forest for the trees...
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
(Post 1602467)
You are comparing apples to oranges. The first involves separate pilot groups with differing external influences. The second concerns a combined group under a single mec and integrated seniority list.
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Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp05
(Post 1602471)
Nope. Poor attempt at justification for giving in though. All the tough talk about slick ties and then you all make a bunch of excuses just to save YOUR butt. When it really counted, you all whined and complained about "perceived" injustices and voted in a substandard TA all in the name of taking care of yourself. Tell me how THAT isn't more scab like than someone that doesn't wear a 10 cent piece of jewelry.
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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking
(Post 1602485)
You allude to our making excuses to save ourselves. What did we need saving from during the first three years?
Hint, that was a rhetorical question. Btw - My question was NOT rhetorical. Slick tie or internet tough guy who votes yes to save his career and then plays Mr. High and Mighty? Who most resembles the scab? |
Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp05
(Post 1602491)
You can continue to play the game that LUAL was a healthy airline, but deep down you know that LUAL was in big, big trouble and the merger resuscitated your careers.
Solid Gold! |
You mean like the recent email from the MEC ----- no wonder some people scurry when the lights come on. Would anybody care to step into the light and explain this or should we just chalk it up to "that's the way it's done around here".
March 14, 2014 This is an update from the ISL Dispute Resolution Committee (DRC). At our meeting conducted on March 11, 2014, the full DRC determined that it has jurisdiction over L-UAL pilot Claims #2 and #3 which are described below. However, the DRC representatives deadlocked as to whether each claim has merit. As a result, these claims will be submitted to arbitration under the Dispute Resolution Procedures contained in Exhibit B of the EKN Award. To date, the L-UAL DRC members have presented three claims from their pilots to the full DRC, each of which challenge actions by the Company that they claim are in violation of the EKN Award—specifically the Company’s actions in awarding positions based on legacy CAL bids 13-08, 14-02, and 14-02A after the implementation date of the ISL. Claim #1 challenges the Company’s award of training positions to CAL pilots in September, October, and November of 2013. Claim #2 challenges the Company’s award of displacement rights to CAL pilots in December, January, and February. Claim # 3 challenges the Company’s award of lateral positions/direct advancements, (e.g. IAH B737 CA to LAX B737 CA) in October and November of last year. Under the Dispute Resolution Procedures, after a claim is presented to the full DRC, the DRC representatives must meet and make a decision as to whether (1) the DRC has jurisdiction to hear the claim, and (2) whether the claim has merit. If the DRC deadlocks over either issue, then the Procedures provide for arbitration (allowing a maximum of 5 hearing days) to resolve the dispute. If a claim is found to have merit, either by agreement of the DRC or through arbitration, it is then presented to the Company. At earlier meetings, the full DRC determined that it has jurisdiction over Claim #1 but then deadlocked on the merits of the claim. The impasse will be resolved in hearings before Arbitrator Dana Eischen, the chairman of the ISL arbitration panel, and is scheduled to be heard in Washington, DC on May 23, continuing on May 27-29. The Claim #2 hearings are scheduled to be heard in Washington, D.C., on July 7-11 before Arbitrator Dennis Nolan, another member of the EKN Arbitration Board. The DRC is currently in the process of selecting an arbitrator for Claim #3 and the dates for those hearings have yet to be determined. The DRC procedures provide that the arbitrator shall make every effort to issue a written award within ten business days after the conclusion of the hearing, so we expect to receive a decision on Claim #1 prior to the arbitrations for Claim #2 and #3. We acknowledge that this is a lengthy process. It is the same one that Delta and Northwest used following their SLI proceedings. The full DRC is handling these claims as expeditiously as possible. The extended timeline has largely been caused by the scheduling difficulties associated with securing dates with high profile arbitrators. We appreciate your patience as the Dispute Resolution Procedure runs its course. AIr Line Pilots Association, International Air Line Pilots Association, International |
Originally Posted by Mitch Rapp05
(Post 1602491)
You digress from the original issue, but I'll play along. Just because you say you're scared of the boogey man doesn't make him real. Did you even read the TPA? This nonsense of taking CA seats, routes, etc from the LUAL side is utter rubbish. You can continue to play the game that LUAL was a healthy airline, but deep down you know that LUAL was in big, big trouble and the merger resuscitated your careers. The TPA protected 100% of CAL flying but only 90% of the LUAL flying. YOUR MEC agreed to this. Merger of equals? Yeah right.
Btw - My question was NOT rhetorical. Slick tie or internet tough guy who votes yes to save his career and then plays Mr. High and Mighty? Who most resembles the scab? Slick ties will be treated/thought of differently. Some might speak to you, but inside are thinking something completely different. The other extreme, well... Although not on the same level, ask your scab buddies how they were regarded. You might call it internet tough guy, I call it reality. Enjoy your career. |
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