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Where would we be today without the UPA? That is the answer. 67% caved, gave up, crossed the bargaining line, cowled, voted yes because _______ ... I am certain that the breakdown of the vote would show that the UPA didn't pass on the LCAL side. Sorry, if you voted yes, you own it ... I have to live with it ... a common theme now for us ex-LCAL now UCH UAL pilots.

Yep, like I said. Tough talk, but when push comes to shove you think about YOURSELF first - yet you call people that don't wear a ten cent piece of jewelry "scab-like"!!!! YOU and others with your mentality just don't get it. Every single pilot could wear the pin, but it means nothing if their ACTIONS (ie vote, holding up the contract, etc) don't back it up. Seems like lying to yourself is a popular thing amongst many of the "slick tie chest thumpers".

Hate to be bearer of the bad news but the LCAL side pushed it over the top. Those guys finally realized that JP was about to sell everybody out and joined the LUAL side(good move) to put a stop to it. Plus it gave them a contract with much better working conditions. Guess money and fame are not that important to all on you side but hey, if you want to be special, we'll give you that special treatment.

Another bit of hypocrisy from the LUAL side is how while you had no contractual protections to the keep a 737 base from opening in SFO, it was not opened because of the emotional impact LUAL types would have. Yet the LCAL emotional impact from us being the only group without PS is discounted as "it was not in your contract, why do you expect it."

What we really need are some cool alpa stickers, or lanyards that read, "ALPA" or "Scope". The scabs love wearing that stuff. I counted 12 bits of alpa flare on one scab in the wx room a while back.

Did you have a point or was that just another LCAL rant.

And you wonder why the airline community looked-down on the CAL guys. I'll rest my case with your statement.

Ha! More proof of your alternate reality! LUAL was considered the lowest of the low! EVERY single pax that I've spoken to since the merger - EVERY ONE - laments the day of the merger and wishes that Continental never merged with the anchor of UAL. Pre-merger, UAL pilots were literally begging to join with CAL. Not once did I ever hear a pax or employee hope that we merged with UAL. The common belief was UAL would soon liquidate and then all the legacies would pick up the pieces. (Of course, I'm expecting you to deny any of this since all that seems to count in many LUAL pilots' eyes, particularly your merger committee and former employee mR. Eichen, is the ONE year that you all actually made a profit in the last TEN plus!)

You are either flame baiting or completely delusional...

Since you know this what is the break down of the vote, how many cal how many ual how many cap how many fo's??