Profit Sharing Grievance
03-07-2014 | 06:15 AM
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I don't think we should drag every LCAL pilot into this. I hold LCAL MEC and JPierce responsible. However, I am proud of the current MEC position to let our brothers have the few bucks and move onto the next battle. We have way too many battles to fight together. If an LCAL pilot is angry about the SLI or a LUAL pilot is angry about the profit sharing then we all lose. I am glad we took this to the highest level of grievance. We won the battle but lost the war. Lets together focus on the next contract. As a LUAL pilot I have seen what management can do to take away a good contract (contract 2000).
On the unity front - it is amazing how quickly that card gets thrown when the battle seems to be over and there is nothing left to take. Yet I still see the vast majority of CAL pilots not wearing an ALPA pin. Add in the lawsuit and the take whatever I can get mentality that I see as pervasive and the calls for unity ring somewhat hollow.
Scott
03-07-2014 | 06:38 AM
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I generally agree with the sentiment that the CAL side should not be punished for J. Pierce and his MEC's malfeasance. I'm very surprised that nothing came of it though. There were plenty of other options to remediate it. Heck, the CAL side was able to trade a somewhat minor grievance for 40 mil, yet the UAL side got nothing for a gross violation of the TPA. How about LOA 25 for starters. Very disappointed that once again the UAL MEC (combined now) blinked.
On the unity front - it is amazing how quickly that card gets thrown when the battle seems to be over and there is nothing left to take. Yet I still see the vast majority of CAL pilots not wearing an ALPA pin. Add in the lawsuit and the take whatever I can get mentality that I see as pervasive and the calls for unity ring somewhat hollow.
Scott
On the unity front - it is amazing how quickly that card gets thrown when the battle seems to be over and there is nothing left to take. Yet I still see the vast majority of CAL pilots not wearing an ALPA pin. Add in the lawsuit and the take whatever I can get mentality that I see as pervasive and the calls for unity ring somewhat hollow.
Scott
Personally I'm happy that the LCAL's get to keep the $$. I'd rather them have it than management. But JP's true colors are exposed yet again.
03-07-2014 | 06:39 AM
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Scott, If the MEC could get anything out of the company as far as improvement in the current contract they would have. The company did not offer or were interested in mediation (my own opinion). As far as we my own perspective or yours; we all have decisions to maximize our own interests. I do not care in you go for the money or the time off. Realize though on a macro level we are together.
03-07-2014 | 06:41 AM
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Perhaps you should read the arbitrators words again. What JP and management did was highly inappropriate and wrong. It worked, and their end run resulted in a nice payout which you didn't deserve. Good for you, and I mean that sincerely. But perhaps a little humility and a "thanks" for not taking the money back from you would be a more appropriate response. If you can't muster that, silence would have been enough.
03-07-2014 | 06:45 AM
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Please add me to your list as well Staller. At the end of my career, I'm wholly confident I will be in a far better place to speak of integrity then an internet flamer.
03-07-2014 | 06:46 AM
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Damnit! I would have like to have seen each CAL pilot had about $200 taken from each paycheck until UAL pilots made whole. Now THAT would have been awesome!! 
The slick tie number would become even larger. It's extremely large now. Very, very young pilots HATE ALPA. That means that you older guys will never, ever see unity. Sorry. Enjoy your retirement.
The slick tie number would become even larger. It's extremely large now. Very, very young pilots HATE ALPA. That means that you older guys will never, ever see unity. Sorry. Enjoy your retirement.
03-07-2014 | 07:27 AM
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Damnit! I would have like to have seen each CAL pilot had about $200 taken from each paycheck until UAL pilots made whole. Now THAT would have been awesome!!
The slick tie number would become even larger. It's extremely large now. Very, very young pilots HATE ALPA. That means that you older guys will never, ever see unity. Sorry. Enjoy your retirement.
The slick tie number would become even larger. It's extremely large now. Very, very young pilots HATE ALPA. That means that you older guys will never, ever see unity. Sorry. Enjoy your retirement.
03-07-2014 | 07:31 AM
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I generally agree with the sentiment that the CAL side should not be punished for J. Pierce and his MEC's malfeasance. I'm very surprised that nothing came of it though. There were plenty of other options to remediate it. Heck, the CAL side was able to trade a somewhat minor grievance for 40 mil, yet the UAL side got nothing for a gross violation of the TPA. How about LOA 25 for starters. Very disappointed that once again the UAL MEC (combined now) blinked.
On the unity front - it is amazing how quickly that card gets thrown when the battle seems to be over and there is nothing left to take. Yet I still see the vast majority of CAL pilots not wearing an ALPA pin. Add in the lawsuit and the take whatever I can get mentality that I see as pervasive and the calls for unity ring somewhat hollow.
Scott
On the unity front - it is amazing how quickly that card gets thrown when the battle seems to be over and there is nothing left to take. Yet I still see the vast majority of CAL pilots not wearing an ALPA pin. Add in the lawsuit and the take whatever I can get mentality that I see as pervasive and the calls for unity ring somewhat hollow.
Scott
I've had good interactions with the individual LCAL pilots I've come across, but as a group I resent them for the actions of their leadership. I reserve my hate for the scabs, Jay "negotiations are going well" Pierce, Jim "we got this" Brucia, and Jason " we're prepared to delay the JCBA forever if you don't agree to our pay banding" Baron.
03-07-2014 | 07:34 AM
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Perhaps you should read the arbitrators words again. What JP and management did was highly inappropriate and wrong. It worked, and their end run resulted in a nice payout which you didn't deserve. Good for you, and I mean that sincerely. But perhaps a little humility and a "thanks" for not taking the money back from you would be a more appropriate response. If you can't muster that, silence would have been enough.
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