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Moombabeach 04-17-2014 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1623502)
ALPA is not holding your money. United Airlines is holding your money on the request of ALPA. WHY? Because the leadership of ALPA knew there would be greedy rat bastard pilots that would file lawsuits. As an organization, ALPA has to protect itself from it's membership. If one of these lawsuits is awarded, are you gonna cut a check for your share? NOPE. Thus the hold back. So you're gonna give up on defending your career because of the greedy rat bastard litigious pilots? That's not very smart, IMO.

Sled


ALPA would simply charge us an assessment as they have many times in the past, it's my money, I want it, it's been a year. Our union is weak, and ineffective, we are bound by the Railway labor act, and there's no leverage for us. Our PAC is outgunned by PROFESSIONAL lobbyist, and our beloved LUAL ALPA guys only care about their own, the ALPA pin means nothing to me other then legal and aeromedical insurance. Give me my cash..........

sleeves 04-17-2014 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Moombabeach (Post 1625113)
ALPA would simply charge us an assessment as they have many times in the past, it's my money, I want it, it's been a year. Our union is weak, and ineffective, we are bound by the Railway labor act, and there's no leverage for us. Our PAC is outgunned by PROFESSIONAL lobbyist, and our beloved LUAL ALPA guys only care about their own, the ALPA pin means nothing to me other then legal and aeromedical insurance. Give me my cash..........

Unfortunately...I agree.

CousinEddie 04-17-2014 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by Moombabeach (Post 1625113)
ALPA would simply charge us an assessment as they have many times in the past, it's my money, I want it, it's been a year. Our union is weak, and ineffective, we are bound by the Railway labor act, and there's no leverage for us. Our PAC is outgunned by PROFESSIONAL lobbyist, and our beloved LUAL ALPA guys only care about their own, the ALPA pin means nothing to me other then legal and aeromedical insurance. Give me my cash..........

L-UAL ALPA guys only care about their own, right? Who did L-CAL ALPA care about when they proposed stapling every L-UAL pilot hired in 1997 and beyond to the bottom of the list? L-UAL ALPA showed more "care" than that with their proposed list. Take your give me my cash line to your lawsuit buddies. Geez. I hope this isn't the kind of crap you dish out for four days straight.

El Gwopo 04-18-2014 04:58 AM


Originally Posted by Moombabeach (Post 1625113)
ALPA would simply charge us an assessment as they have many times in the past, it's my money, I want it, it's been a year. Our union is weak, and ineffective, we are bound by the Railway labor act, and there's no leverage for us. Our PAC is outgunned by PROFESSIONAL lobbyist, and our beloved LUAL ALPA guys only care about their own, the ALPA pin means nothing to me other then legal and aeromedical insurance. Give me my cash..........

I threw my pin in the garbage for a different reason. I am a MIGS, I contribute to the PAC, and I have picketed several times. HOWEVER, I grew up in a union family and I explained to these actual union members what happened during our contract negotiations with the 76 seaters. They chuckled and said, "that's not a union".

THEN I found out that LUAL pilots DEMANDED I wear the pin. Well, that just makes me not want to wear it EVEN MORE!! :)

CousinEddie 04-18-2014 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625353)
I threw my pin in the garbage for a different reason. I am a MIGS, I contribute to the PAC, and I have picketed several times. HOWEVER, I grew up in a union family and I explained to these actual union members what happened during our contract negotiations with the 76 seaters. They chuckled and said, "that's not a union".

THEN I found out that LUAL pilots DEMANDED I wear the pin. Well, that just makes me not want to wear it EVEN MORE!! :)

What was their union background? It's hard to think of many union members that have managed to avoid economic and market realities. Well maybe older UAW members to some degree thanks to the Government and sticking it to new hires.

ChrisJT6 04-18-2014 05:55 AM


Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625353)
I threw my pin in the garbage for a different reason. I am a MIGS, I contribute to the PAC, and I have picketed several times. HOWEVER, I grew up in a union family and I explained to these actual union members what happened during our contract negotiations with the 76 seaters. They chuckled and said, "that's not a union".

THEN I found out that LUAL pilots DEMANDED I wear the pin. Well, that just makes me not want to wear it EVEN MORE!! :)

You can try and grey this area up all you want but it is so black and white that I'm sure you'll get it someday:
You may not like any choices but there is no not choosing.
ALPA
Management
Scabs
Go ahead and keep it up and just know that the overwhelming majority of Old CAL and UAL pilots won't waste much time wondering which of the latter teams you're on.

El Gwopo 04-18-2014 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by ChrisJT6 (Post 1625384)
You can try and grey this area up all you want but it is so black and white that I'm sure you'll get it someday:
You may not like any choices but there is no not choosing.
ALPA
Management
Scabs
Go ahead and keep it up and just know that the overwhelming majority of Old CAL and UAL pilots won't waste much time wondering which of the latter teams you're on.


NOW I'm scared. :rolleyes:

hopeSales 04-18-2014 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625421)
NOW I'm scared. :rolleyes:


No need to be SCARED son but while you're standing in the rain by yourself you may not want to drink the water running off you nose ESPECIALLY if it has a strange odor and a yellow tint.

ChrisJT6 04-18-2014 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by El Gwopo (Post 1625421)
NOW I'm scared. :rolleyes:

Read again...non threatening post. Don't care if your scared or not...just not gonna do any of us any good with a bunch of confused pilots.

FYI...it's only the pilot profession that does not use DOH to merge SLs. Ask your "union" family what they think of your SLI proposal...then get back up and preach about unionism.

El Gwopo 04-18-2014 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by hopeSales (Post 1625433)
No need to be SCARED son but while you're standing in the rain by yourself you may not want to drink the water running off you nose ESPECIALLY if it has a strange odor and a yellow tint.

Good comeback.


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