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Airhoss 07-07-2014 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by magro99 (Post 1679492)
How far into the next day do we have to go to count? We are 8 hours behind schedule and land at 2:30 am in EWR on my day off.

Without toiling through the contract believe that if you arrive after 0100 into your day off you are into M5D territory for that day.

Used to be 1145 or later on the day prior into a day off. Anybody care to look it up? I've had a few to many night before first day off brewskys to want to dive into it at the moment.

TaylorB 07-07-2014 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1679494)
Without toiling through the contract believe that if you arrive after 0100 into your day off you are into M5D territory for that day.

Used to be 1145 or later on the day prior into a day off. Anybody care to look it up? I've had a few to many night before first day off brewskys to want to dive into it at the moment.

Yes, I believe you're correct, 0100 into the day off

magro99 07-07-2014 11:10 PM

Lost Day Off - Lost forever
 
It looks like 5-G-2...it has to be after 0400 to count towards the 5/day. We couldn't find a reference if that was also for the add pay & late pay?? Or if we could get it restored? We did operate it but it wasn't a reassignment...just a really late flight. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks!

Short Bus Drive 07-08-2014 01:55 AM

The Contract Leagality guide helps me out alot....
Lot of good tid bits.

gettinbumped 07-08-2014 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1679494)
Without toiling through the contract believe that if you arrive after 0100 into your day off you are into M5D territory for that day.

Used to be 1145 or later on the day prior into a day off. Anybody care to look it up? I've had a few to many night before first day off brewskys to want to dive into it at the moment.

4am for M5D

CousinEddie 07-08-2014 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by EWRflyr (Post 1678325)
Under your scenario you are not entitled to the day off being restored.

Reference 20-N Restoration of Lineholder Lost Day Off:

20-N-1 When a Lineholder is reassigned into a day or days off under the provisions of Sections 20-F-2, 20-I-5-a, 20-I-12 (Step Seven), 20-I-13 (Step Eight), or 20-J and his schedule does not require a repair due to the Minimum Day Off provisions of Section 5, that day or days off shall be restored according to the provisions of this Section 20-N.

The bold section above is the key. Your DH back to base does not fall within those parameters as reassignment.

However, you will get:

20-L-6 Add Pay for Reassignments
20-L-6-a Late Pay. A Lineholder shall receive fifty percent (50%) Add Pay for all scheduled Flight Time and Deadhead Time after his original Arrival time.

20-L-6-b Day-Off Pay. A Pilot shall receive fifty percent (50%) Add Pay for all scheduled Flight Time and Deadhead Time on a day off (regardless of whether the day off is restored).

Scheduler is correct and recent response to a PDR confirmed this with the above referenced sections.

Keep in mind our employees that are getting outsourced at several smaller stations (and Canada). You still at least get some add pay for being at work on your day off due to a mechanical or some other problem. Come October they get replaced by $12 / hour vendors. Can you imagine how the above discussion would go within earshot of them right now?

JoePatroni 07-08-2014 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by CousinEddie (Post 1679645)
Can you imagine how the above discussion would go within earshot of them right now?

The L-CAL ground staff twice voted not to unionize.

Shrek 07-08-2014 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive (Post 1679565)
The Contract Leagality guide helps me out alot....
Lot of good tid bits.

That thing is my Go To in any contract discussion. That thing is awesome !

Airhoss 07-08-2014 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by Shrek (Post 1679693)
That thing is my Go To in any contract discussion. That thing is awesome !

Where do you get a contract legality guide? Is it online?

Rmbrand 07-08-2014 09:08 AM

UAL MEC contract legality guide
 
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