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BMEP100 07-05-2014 06:45 PM

Lost Day Off - Lost forever
 
With these new work rules, (500pages) you would think something as basic as getting a lost day off back would be simple. At least that is what I am used to the last 27 years. So my 4 day turned into a 5 day when our last leg home cancelled for mechanical. We deadheaded home the next day and when I called skeds to get my day off restored - I found that their interpretation of the rules are that because we deadheaded, no reassignment rules apply for day off restoration! Wow! It took me a couple hours of searching these 500 pages to come up with NOTHING in concrete, to say that I am due the day off. There is not even a definition of the term reassignment! Defining terms in any agreement is fundamental. Well, it must keep some lawyers in work. I will be working on this next week. The futures scheduler ( this is new too) was very nice in explaining how her bosses interpret what constitutes the requirement for restoring a day off. BTW, this is a 757.

APC225 07-05-2014 07:01 PM

Even a reserve gets a lost day off restored. That's wacko.

EWRflyr 07-05-2014 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 1678279)
With these new work rules, (500pages) you would think something as basic as getting a lost day off back would be simple. At least that is what I am used to the last 27 years. So my 4 day turned into a 5 day when our last leg home cancelled for mechanical. We deadheaded home the next day and when I called skeds to get my day off restored - I found that their interpretation of the rules are that because we deadheaded, no reassignment rules apply for day off restoration! Wow! It took me a couple hours of searching these 500 pages to come up with NOTHING in concrete, to say that I am due the day off. There is not even a definition of the term reassignment! Defining terms in any agreement is fundamental. Well, it must keep some lawyers in work. I will be working on this next week. The futures scheduler ( this is new too) was very nice in explaining how her bosses interpret what constitutes the requirement for restoring a day off. BTW, this is a 757.

Under your scenario you are not entitled to the day off being restored.

Reference 20-N Restoration of Lineholder Lost Day Off:

20-N-1 When a Lineholder is reassigned into a day or days off under the provisions of Sections 20-F-2, 20-I-5-a, 20-I-12 (Step Seven), 20-I-13 (Step Eight), or 20-J and his schedule does not require a repair due to the Minimum Day Off provisions of Section 5, that day or days off shall be restored according to the provisions of this Section 20-N.

The bold section above is the key. Your DH back to base does not fall within those parameters as reassignment.

However, you will get:

20-L-6 Add Pay for Reassignments
20-L-6-a Late Pay. A Lineholder shall receive fifty percent (50%) Add Pay for all scheduled Flight Time and Deadhead Time after his original Arrival time.

20-L-6-b Day-Off Pay. A Pilot shall receive fifty percent (50%) Add Pay for all scheduled Flight Time and Deadhead Time on a day off (regardless of whether the day off is restored).

Scheduler is correct and recent response to a PDR confirmed this with the above referenced sections.

Airhoss 07-05-2014 10:12 PM

Don't get mad. Get even.

Dave Fitzgerald 07-05-2014 11:34 PM

Sorry, you were working for free....I'm sure Jeff appreciates your sacrifice.

gettinbumped 07-06-2014 03:00 AM


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 1678279)
With these new work rules, (500pages) you would think something as basic as getting a lost day off back would be simple. At least that is what I am used to the last 27 years. So my 4 day turned into a 5 day when our last leg home cancelled for mechanical. We deadheaded home the next day and when I called skeds to get my day off restored - I found that their interpretation of the rules are that because we deadheaded, no reassignment rules apply for day off restoration! Wow! It took me a couple hours of searching these 500 pages to come up with NOTHING in concrete, to say that I am due the day off. There is not even a definition of the term reassignment! Defining terms in any agreement is fundamental. Well, it must keep some lawyers in work. I will be working on this next week. The futures scheduler ( this is new too) was very nice in explaining how her bosses interpret what constitutes the requirement for restoring a day off. BTW, this is a 757.

Just had EXACTLY the same scenario. No restoration for me either, confirmed by ALPA. That was a shocker to me as well

cencal83406 07-06-2014 03:21 AM

The point of day off restoration is to get you to at minimum days off if you are under it. If your line already has more than min days your QOL already is better. What a silly complaint, especially since you get premium pay.

Packrat 07-06-2014 03:40 AM

So you wanted the extra pay AND the day off restored? Good luck with that.

BMEP100 07-06-2014 04:41 AM


Originally Posted by cencal83406 (Post 1678398)
The point of day off restoration is to get you to at minimum days off if you are under it. If your line already has more than min days your QOL already is better. What a silly complaint, especially since you get premium pay.


Silly? I don't think so, since if I had been operating the flight home I would have had the day off restored. So it comes down to where I was sitting in the airplane on my day off.

@ Packrat:
I would much rather have had a day off instead of the 1 hour add pay for losing my day off. Cencal are you willing to give up a day off for an hour pay?
It used to be that we had a choice of whether we wanted the day off restored or pay for it.

This was all promptly confirmed to me by the SSC. They say there will be a "Next Steps" article about it soon.

And to your point of "min days off" I would say this. With 27 years I would expect to have more than the "min days off". Even when Lorenzo/Breeding were running the airline in 88 I consistently had more days off than I get now, and if I lost one- I got it back.

As I get older, getting time off with my family takes on greater importance, over $$. I wish that philosophy were shared by those who wrote these rules.

tkt96 07-06-2014 05:24 AM

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