Oh man you ALMOST had me. I started typing a long response to your divisive and revisionist post, but then I realized you so aren't worth the effort my fingers would have to exert. Have a good weekend.

Show me a better contract that CAL has EVER HAD. Show me. I want to see it. Every contract CAL has voted in for 30 years was worse that this one. Now all of a sudden everyone is voting no because this is a "substandard contract"?

When was the last time a guppy Captain at CAL made over $200/hour? Which contract was that in exactly?

When was the last CAL had any work rules? Or a contract that wasn't written by management friendly scabs?

Not since Lorenzo in any case and not until now...

BTW

Don't confuse folks like SEDPA with facts or truth it's just a wet blanket on his fantasy pity party.

Show me where I disagree with you.

You could not be MORE correct. It's better than any contract CAL EVER had. Not only that but it is years ahead of the pitiful CAL openers from December 2009. And I mean pitiful, howl at the moon you've got to be kidding me laughable.

But, CAL wasn't negotiating the contract. UAL and CAL pilots were. And believe me when I say a lot of CAL pilots were pretty excited about that. And while the contract we got indeed was by all measures far superior to any CAL contract, it did not meet industry standard of today, what Delta has and what American will have.

It is light years ahead of what CAL could EVER had achieved, you're right, golfer, but regarding your post, limiting the voters to a binary "yes to stop upgrades, no to keep stealing seats" is too limiting, and that's why...

I don't disagree with any of this.

How could you--I'm a middle child.

Not entirely true. I made more on reserve 777 with our old CAL contract at a lesser pay scale than I do now with my current pay scale (even with the increase of $23/hour) because of our work rules.

I usually would fly only 75 hours but get paid 105 hours because of a loophole in our old contract. The most I ever made was flying 79 hours and I got paid for 142 hours. I have the records to prove it. That doesn't happen anymore with our new contract.

And I had more guaranteed days off than now also. We had a guaranteed 12 days off with no rolling of days versus the 6 measly HDO's off that I get now and possibility of getting every RDO rolled.

Anyways, I can still manipulate my schedule and our contract wording to my advantage, I just have to be more crafty, but overall I honestly took a $20K-30K pay cut versus our old contract.

The anomaly is not the average, and THAT was the problem.

You're Jan Brady?

More to do with Part 117 or the contract?
Also, you could get days rolled under old CAL contract...