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pilot64golfer 05-01-2015 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by 24/48 (Post 1872096)
It wouldn't surprise me to see a surplus bid for IAH 737 CA, followed by a vacancy bid for IAH 320 CA.

Right. In a perfect world they do the vacancy bid 1st and as it goes more junior, more Guppy Captains can just move over to the Bus and stay in the same status without having to leave the base.

To have guys surplussed 1st then have a vacancy bid after and have it go junior to guys that could have bumped to it is certainly disruptive.

Blockoutblockin 05-01-2015 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1872132)
Right. In a perfect world they do the vacancy bid 1st and as it goes more junior, more Guppy Captains can just move over to the Bus and stay in the same status without having to leave the base.

To have guys surplussed 1st then have a vacancy bid after and have it go junior to guys that could have bumped to it is certainly disruptive.

If not cruel.

Flyguppy 05-01-2015 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1872132)
Right. In a perfect world they do the vacancy bid 1st and as it goes more junior, more Guppy Captains can just move over to the Bus and stay in the same status without having to leave the base.

To have guys surplussed 1st then have a vacancy bid after and have it go junior to guys that could have bumped to it is certainly disruptive.

I don't understand your point. For the guys getting bumped, if their seniority can hold a IAH 320 bid, then they'll get it. If not, they won't. Doesn't matter if the vacancy comes first or not.

If they get bumped there is no freeze, so they are free to bid it.

The reality is, the bottom 50 or so IAH 737 Captains are there as a result of the 14-02 group of bids. They do not have the seniority to hold Captain in IAH once they are bumped.

There is no way they will be disadvantaged by any sort of IAH 320 CAP bid. If they can hold it, they will get it.

Dragon7 05-01-2015 06:56 PM

There is going to be at least a 50 CA bid on the IAH bus. Look at the last min max chart. If the CA displacement bid is before the vacancy bid we go from conspiracy theories to the facts don't lie. Hope it doesn't play out that way.

sleeves 05-02-2015 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by Flyguppy (Post 1872345)

The reality is, the bottom 50 or so IAH 737 Captains are there as a result of the 14-02 group of bids. They do not have the seniority to hold Captain in IAH once they are bumped.

25 of the bottom 50 IAH 737 Capt. Are from 13-08.

AllenAllert 05-02-2015 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 1872542)
25 of the bottom 50 IAH 737 Capt. Are from 13-08.

If they have the seniority then they'll be protected. It is a seniority issue and the sooner we let the system right itself, the better off we'll be.

sleeves 05-02-2015 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by AllenAllert (Post 1872549)
If they have the seniority then they'll be protected. It is a seniority issue and the sooner we let the system right itself, the better off we'll be.

I'm just correcting a false statement. I agree with the first part of your quote, and if this is truly about rebalancing the bases then so be it. If it is about righting the system then I do not agree we will be better off, as that is a flush bid and was prohibited in the TPA.

Flyguppy 05-02-2015 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by Dragon7 (Post 1872358)
There is going to be at least a 50 CA bid on the IAH bus. Look at the last min max chart. If the CA displacement bid is before the vacancy bid we go from conspiracy theories to the facts don't lie. Hope it doesn't play out that way.

Again....I'm not understanding the point here.

It's based on their seniority no matter when the vacancy is issued. If they are too junior to hold a captain vacancy, then what is the issue? If they can hold it they can bid it whether the vacancy comes before or after.

Is there some sort of conspiracy theory? Please explain.

Flyguppy 05-02-2015 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 1872542)
25 of the bottom 50 IAH 737 Capt. Are from 13-08.

Ok, point taken. Better way to say it.....the bottom 50 or so 737 Captains in IAH can't hold 320 Captain in Houston based on recent bidding behavior.

It's all related to their seniority. I'm not sure you guys fully understand the displacement process.

To be brief, if their seniority can hold it, they WILL get the bid they seek. No ifs ands or buts. If it can't, then they won't.

It makes NO difference on when any sort of vacancy is released in relation to when a displacement is released. NONE!! NADA!!

sleeves 05-02-2015 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by Flyguppy (Post 1872602)
I'm not sure you guys fully understand the displacement process.

I think I have a pretty good grasp of it. I agree the timing matters little. In fact it may be better to have it the displacement first and then the vacancy...less chance of a secondary off the Airbus.


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