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Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 1873174)

This is just as much a flush as the 747 deal was or was not. It's just one is done to LUAL and the other is done to LCAL. I don't think either should have been given special consideration.

Simple fact is we are all on the same seniority list and any "Special Deals" negotiated by Ben has an impact on all United pilots regardless of legacy affiliation.

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Originally Posted by airhoss (Post 1873155)

when i get bumped in august of this year off the 757 in denver it will be bump number 5 for me. 777f/o surplussed to 757f/o to 737f/o back up to 777 f/o surplussed to 320 f/o, upgraded to 320 ca,surplussed to 757 f/o surplussed to whatever is next.

756 ca ewr??

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Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 1873174)

This is just as much a flush as the 747 deal was or was not. It's just one is done to LUAL and the other is done to LCAL. I don't think either should have been given special consideration.

Uhmmm...NOT even close. The IAH bump is just that, a bump they are not closing the entire category within a base. The 747 deal in ORD was complete shut down.

So if Ben gets his special deal in IAH do I get a special deal in DEN when my number comes up? Fair is fair right?

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Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1873207)

756 ca ewr??

I doubt it...Commuting reserve to EWR.......Just the thought makes me want to PUKE!!

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Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 1873209)

I doubt it...Commuting reserve to EWR.......Just the thought makes me want to PUKE!!

I'd rather baptize a cat.

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Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1873211)

I'd rather baptize a cat.

I'd at least like to watch you try to do that!

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Originally Posted by bottoms up (Post 1873047)

Not sure who did/did not attend IAH town hall meeting. I snuck in there b/c I thought there would be filet mignon for everyone. Disappointed to say the least not even PB&J, but I stuck around to hear what was being said

Summary from Howard, Greg, Beau, and Tracy (scheduling)
With oil down flights into IAH are down some 20%. They are going to shift to that flying to other bases after summer. ORD, SFO, IAD
Each captain displaced equates to 5 training cycles. They value that around 30 grand a cycle so 150 grand per captain. They recoup that after 4-6 months.
Didn't get a specific on number of displacements. Only captain more than f/o. Also they don't want to over displace so IAH may not receive the heft that everyone thinks.

Lots of talk about moral and how SRM was rampant every day. No need to displace due to attrition and vacanccy bids and hiring etc..maybe TDY temporarily or something as I think Den has 320 guys being tdy'd into base after they displaced. Few guys pretty vocal and upset. Even a nice 10 minute one ranging from uniforms to pay stubs.

Howard said something about putting out an email with all info and numbers as they want to be transparent as possible.

That was the majority of it. Minus the steaks.

Also heard that many were vocal about management not working with individual pilots. In fact, management had to remind them that they had to go through the union to get things done, that's how the system works. Just goes to show you that we still have folks that just don't get the "Collective" part of a CBA.

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Originally Posted by pilot64golfer (Post 1872132)

Right. In a perfect world they do the vacancy bid 1st and as it goes more junior, more Guppy Captains can just move over to the Bus and stay in the same status without having to leave the base.

To have guys surplussed 1st then have a vacancy bid after and have it go junior to guys that could have bumped to it is certainly disruptive.

As others have alluded to on this thread....a displacement bid followed by vacancy bid would create fewer secondary bumps. One may displace from IAH 737 CA to ORD 737 CA, and 2 weeks later get awarded IAH 320 CA. If you do the vacancy bid first, and the junior IAH 737 CA's don't bite you could see a bunch of CA's bumping in to the 320 resulting in bumps of those who just got it awarded.

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Originally Posted by rwthompson67 (Post 1873178)

How is a complete closure of one base the same as surplussing a small percentage of pilots in another base?

It's not. Displacement are already covered by the Agreement.

This is just political fodder so that some people can claim that its discrimination against LCAL pilots to not give them special consideration, despite 14 categories being displaced affecting predominantly LUAL pilots in the last 3 years with no special consideration. This one where there are only 2 categories affecting LCAL pilots they will claim its bias against LCAL pilots for not giving them special consideration.

Then they will point to the MOU for base closures as the proof, but its not because its a completely different type of event.