Monkey is right, a JCBA vs. CBA are two different animals.

The UPA provided many QOL improvements for the LCAL side, while giving the LUAL side a bigger pay bump. We conceded an increase in gauge for UAX from 70 to 76 seats because we were patterning off you guys (thanks BTW:roll eyes:). However, we also closed up a lot of loopholes in scope and made the UAX footprint smaller while growing mainline, much like you guys did.

WRT your TA, the increase of 25 76 seaters for the parking of 50 50 seaters lowering the cap to 425 from 450 is good, however, the regionals are getting drained as the big 3 hire 100+ per month each so I think you guys are doing management a big favor with this. Also, we go into section 6 in less than a year and I know our management team are drooling over more 70/76 seaters since they are already up against the cap. We didn't get 717's like you guys so management is stuck at 255 70/76 seaters.

For the record, and it is relevant to this thread: as a LCAl pilot(777) our current contract did not improve my QOL one iota. The new reserve system sucks for widebody guys compared to before. The new trip trade system(while good in theory) rarely allows a trade and almost never allows a trade other than day for a day. In my previous cal contract if the trip ran a day late, you got your day restored with 150%... now you lose the day off. The pay scales are nice. Deltas new pay scales look very good. But, i see alot more pilots clawing there way to 89+ hrs than ever before. I agree with someone who said it earlier in the thread that the company cant find a way to manipulate the payscales...but i didnt sign on to be an airline pilot so i could work myself to death....

Just for the record, a majority of the pilots voting(CAL and UAL) thought it was better to approve the JCBA and move on. That's a positive that outweighs most of your complaints don't you think?

SMH. Completely unsuprising take and entirely representative of the 55+% that ALWAYS vote yes.

Unfortunately for you the work rule improvements for the guppy pilots was substantial and there were far more of them to out-vote you. One of the inherent things about being a widebody pilot is that the schedules are inherently more efficient because of the longer legs.

Allenallert and Pilotgolfer,
We are mostly on the same page. Our JCBA is what it is, and it was necessary to get it done when we did for our common unity. But, I mentioned my being a 777 guy to point out that not everyones QOL improved with this JCBA.
Regarding pay, IMHO our Union and industry have made up alot of lost ground since the "post 911" contracts, but as far as QOL...not so much.

+1 agree with above

A contract negotiation is a two way street (unless you're in bankruptcy). There are solid gains for the DAL pilots in this TA, and yes there are gains for the company as well. Just like with Contract 2000 at UAL. Huge gains for the pilots and some give on rest rules and scope (held to 50 seats contrary to popular belief). It is my opinion (and evidently the opinion of their MEC) that the pilots should vote on this contract proposal. That is all. I don't vote yes for everything, I weigh the pros and cons. This seems more pro than con. JMO

Sled

Why would you ever vote yes on the first TA well before a deadline?

First rule of negotiating, never take the first offer. There is always something left on the table if you do.