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Originally Posted by 130drvr
(Post 1905664)
First rule of negotiating, never take the first offer. There is always something left on the table if you do.
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Originally Posted by GoCats67
(Post 1902431)
From what I have seen, the give in the area of Scope is the much bigger deal. While that would take you down to what we have, it looks like a major give to me. To give you an idea of how bad it can be, we currently have a Lufthansa A380 flying LAX-FRA, a 747-800 flying LAX-FRA, and an A340 flying LAX-MUC and we don't have any metal on either of those routes!!!! . LAX - LH a380,748,a340 --------- UA nothing SFO - LH a380,a340 -------- UA 744, 744 DEN - LH 744 -------- UA nothing IAH - LH a380 --------- UA 777, 764 ORD - LH a340,748,748 --------- UA 763,777,777 IAD - LH a330,744,748 --------- UA 764,777,777 EWR - LH 748,a340 ---------- UA 777,764 and also Our co-terminals and former hubs JFK - LH a330,a380,748 ---------- UA nothing SEA - LH 744 --------- UA nothing so without even including JFK or SEA they have 25% more flights and if you compare the two based on seats it is closer to 50%!!! This is why i would suggest to DL pilots that, unless you are already a 777 Captain (who doesn't give a shoot about those junior to him), you should be avoiding this TA like the plague. It is a widebody job killer rivaled only by the ME carriers. Vote NO!! |
Originally Posted by GoCats67
(Post 1905785)
My above statement got me accused of "cherry picking" in a different forum/thread, so here is how the crappy JV/scope language UA has translates into actually flying. These are the flights between UA hubs and LH hubs
LAX - LH a380,748,a340 --------- UA nothing SFO - LH a380,a340 -------- UA 744, 744 DEN - LH 744 -------- UA nothing IAH - LH a380 --------- UA 777, 764 ORD - LH a340,748,748 --------- UA 763,777,777 IAD - LH a330,744,748 --------- UA 764,777,777 EWR - LH 748,a340 ---------- UA 777,764 and also Our co-terminals and former hubs JFK - LH a330,a380,748 ---------- UA nothing SEA - LH 744 --------- UA nothing so without even including JFK or SEA they have 25% more flights and if you compare the two based on seats it is closer to 50%!!! This is why i would suggest to DL pilots that, unless you are already a 777 Captain (who doesn't give a shoot about those junior to him), you should be avoiding this TA like the plague. It is a widebody job killer rivaled only by the ME carriers. Vote NO!! |
They are certainly passionate on the subject. Just one thread on the Delta TA section has over 9,000 posts and over 1,000,000 views. Check it.
Delta TA - Airline Pilot Central Forums |
We need to pay close attention to what's going on there because if they ratify that POS, we'll be dealing with their decision. Here's to hoping they vote that POS down!!!!
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The DAL negotiating committee is on the take and their MEC is a ship of fools! It's a POS because APC forum members say so!! Vote er down! ;)
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Originally Posted by pilot64golfer
(Post 1905684)
That's absolutely not true.
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Originally Posted by 130drvr
(Post 1906188)
I am guessing you take the first price on a new car too?
Plus I don't buy new cars. I buy them 3-5 years used for half the price. Let the guy who bought the "new" car take all the depreciation. |
Originally Posted by 130drvr
(Post 1906188)
I am guessing you take the first price on a new car too?
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Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 1906292)
The line pilot is not the negotiator. It's been through the neg comm. and the MEC.
DOH! |
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