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Originally Posted by baseball (Post 1915802)

Sounds like Lou and Sue. Agree, Sue was awesome. No wonder they got divorced.

Ha! I remember standing next to angry Lou waiting on a hotel van one night in our B1900 days when he suddenly yells out "Hey! go suck on that cancer stick someplace else, fattie!" to some poor girl like 30 feet away.

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Originally Posted by AllenAllert (Post 1915292)

Everyone should re-read what DF wrote above. This will keep you out of trouble and will eventually offer an avenue for relieve. If on the other hand, you don't care about getting in trouble or want instant relieve, invite the offender out behind the hangar.

Your Mama probably told you that you are not going to like everybody and not everyone is going to like you but you should try to get along anyway. And, you should not launder your dirty underwear in public. Threads like this demonstrate that she knew what she was talking about. (A public forum is NO PLACE to air this out PERIOD)

At the 50% level, if you can't avoid flying with your unfavored Captain maybe a good education on PBS bidding is in order or maybe you have too many "avoid flying with" on your bid and that may require a little self-reflection instead.

I disagree here to some extent. Interpersonal conflicts are often very subtle, and there is a tendency, even among experienced first officers, to ask the question, "Is it me, or is it this other person?"

Sometimes it's helpful to bounce these experiences off of a colleague. These boards, albeit public, allow some of us to share those experiences and get some much needed feedback. Naming names, although tempting, may not be the best course, but seeking advice and finding you are not alone can be very therapeutic.

My 2 cents.

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Originally Posted by krudawg (Post 1915118)

The purpose of Pro-Stans is to mediate these problems by having a conversation with both parties and eventually bringing them together in a conversation with Pro-stans being a neutral party and thus the conversation is solution driven. Pro-Stans should be analyzing these "do-not-fly-with Captains. Determining who these Captains are who continually show up these lists and make a preemptive "strike" by making a call and asking the Captain why they are so popular on the do-not-fly list. A phone call may give notice that the Captain needs to self-evaluate their behavior with regard to their crew environment. Then, when an FO says that "we need to have a conversation"; the Captain will know that he needs to change. I always say a leopard never changes his spots but you never know.
I would be mortified to know if I was on some FO's do-not-fly list but chances are good that I have surely angered somebody along the way and have made the list. I'm hoping it is a very short list

Pros Stans should be the next to last resort. Someone needs to grow a spine and learn to work out some interpersonal problems themselves as a first resort.