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Frank K 06-19-2015 05:36 AM

Avoid with bid-failed
 
Well even though I'm at 50% I'm still not privileged enough to avoid a problematic captain that everyone else tries to avoid.

What to do about it? I won't burn sick list. I believe that management should get out from behind their desks and fly with the troublemakers rather than turning them loose on us "jr" 17 yr pilots.

Flt mgrs are well aware of who the problematic captains are.

Has anyone found a workaround for this one?

DashTrash 06-19-2015 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by Frank K (Post 1909659)
Well even though I'm at 50% I'm still not privileged enough to avoid a problematic captain that everyone else tries to avoid.

What to do about it? I won't burn sick list. I believe that management should get out from behind their desks and fly with the troublemakers rather than turning them loose on us "jr" 17 yr pilots.

Flt mgrs are well aware of who the problematic captains are.

Has anyone found a workaround for this one?

What has Pro Stands said about the issue?

Frank K 06-19-2015 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 1909662)
What has Pro Stands said about the issue?

Good question. An FA (of all people) said she complained to them. I never asked her. She asked if I knew of him and then went on a rant.

Short Bus Drive 06-19-2015 06:36 AM

What did Pro Stands say to YOU?

Frank K 06-19-2015 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive (Post 1909714)
What did Pro Stands say to YOU?

I'm guilty of never calling them. I guess that's the only solution.

I guess I'll confront him the first time he pulls his crap. If he keeps it up I'll call pro standards.

Thanks for your thoughts

Short Bus Drive 06-19-2015 07:02 AM

Address it with him. If he blows you off, tell him you will walk of the flight. If it comes down to that, call prostandards immediately, followed up with a call to your rep then the FODM...
Usually never gets past the point of saying you walking off if the stuff doesn't stop.

NFLUALNFL 06-19-2015 07:59 AM

The odds are that everyone you mentioned probably already knows. More attention is better and might be the only way this person changes their behavior.

Interestingly, the NTSB is looking into this and was apparently disappointed that the airlines don't do anything with the "Don't fly with xx" data other than save sick leave. This might be the place to start assessing "Mental Health" in certain individuals' longer-term behavior trends.

skypest 06-19-2015 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by Frank K (Post 1909659)
I won't burn sick list. I believe that management should get out from behind their desks and fly with the troublemakers rather than turning them loose on us "jr" 17 yr pilots.

Call your local flight manager. Explain to them that you will not be working with this pilot. They can either deal with it now or one hour prior to departure when you remind them again. Remind them that this pilot is on your no fly list and that is for a reason ( use the cuss words emphasis on Unsafe ). More than likely they will pull the trip with no pay and you can pick something else up.
Don't waste your time with pro standards. If this pilot is the tool you think they are - they have already been spoken to and it hasn't helped.
Good Luck,
Pest

pilot64golfer 06-19-2015 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by skypest (Post 1909944)
Don't waste your time with pro standards.

Pro standards has no teeth. You'd be shocked what I turned a pilot in for and pro standards did nothing.

Dave Fitzgerald 06-19-2015 06:48 PM

Pro standards does not have any teeth, correct. But when flt ops does get involved, that will be their first question. And, if you have any issues, they will use the fact that you have talked to pro standards to pile on in any investigation or disciplinary hearings.

Be careful, but be honest. Tell it like it is. Pro standards does not have teeth, but you do need to be on record as having consulted.


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