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Old 06-19-2015 | 05:36 AM
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Well even though I'm at 50% I'm still not privileged enough to avoid a problematic captain that everyone else tries to avoid.

What to do about it? I won't burn sick list. I believe that management should get out from behind their desks and fly with the troublemakers rather than turning them loose on us "jr" 17 yr pilots.

Flt mgrs are well aware of who the problematic captains are.

Has anyone found a workaround for this one?
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Old 06-19-2015 | 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Frank K
Well even though I'm at 50% I'm still not privileged enough to avoid a problematic captain that everyone else tries to avoid.

What to do about it? I won't burn sick list. I believe that management should get out from behind their desks and fly with the troublemakers rather than turning them loose on us "jr" 17 yr pilots.

Flt mgrs are well aware of who the problematic captains are.

Has anyone found a workaround for this one?
What has Pro Stands said about the issue?
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Old 06-19-2015 | 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DashTrash
What has Pro Stands said about the issue?
Good question. An FA (of all people) said she complained to them. I never asked her. She asked if I knew of him and then went on a rant.
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Old 06-19-2015 | 06:36 AM
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What did Pro Stands say to YOU?
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Old 06-19-2015 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive
What did Pro Stands say to YOU?
I'm guilty of never calling them. I guess that's the only solution.

I guess I'll confront him the first time he pulls his crap. If he keeps it up I'll call pro standards.

Thanks for your thoughts
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Old 06-19-2015 | 07:02 AM
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Address it with him. If he blows you off, tell him you will walk of the flight. If it comes down to that, call prostandards immediately, followed up with a call to your rep then the FODM...
Usually never gets past the point of saying you walking off if the stuff doesn't stop.
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Old 06-19-2015 | 07:59 AM
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The odds are that everyone you mentioned probably already knows. More attention is better and might be the only way this person changes their behavior.

Interestingly, the NTSB is looking into this and was apparently disappointed that the airlines don't do anything with the "Don't fly with xx" data other than save sick leave. This might be the place to start assessing "Mental Health" in certain individuals' longer-term behavior trends.
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Old 06-19-2015 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Frank K
I won't burn sick list. I believe that management should get out from behind their desks and fly with the troublemakers rather than turning them loose on us "jr" 17 yr pilots.
Call your local flight manager. Explain to them that you will not be working with this pilot. They can either deal with it now or one hour prior to departure when you remind them again. Remind them that this pilot is on your no fly list and that is for a reason ( use the cuss words emphasis on Unsafe ). More than likely they will pull the trip with no pay and you can pick something else up.
Don't waste your time with pro standards. If this pilot is the tool you think they are - they have already been spoken to and it hasn't helped.
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Old 06-19-2015 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by skypest
Don't waste your time with pro standards.
Pro standards has no teeth. You'd be shocked what I turned a pilot in for and pro standards did nothing.
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Old 06-19-2015 | 06:48 PM
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Pro standards does not have any teeth, correct. But when flt ops does get involved, that will be their first question. And, if you have any issues, they will use the fact that you have talked to pro standards to pile on in any investigation or disciplinary hearings.

Be careful, but be honest. Tell it like it is. Pro standards does not have teeth, but you do need to be on record as having consulted.
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