Avoid with bid-failed
#11
Interestingly, the NTSB is looking into this and was apparently disappointed that the airlines don't do anything with the "Don't fly with xx" data other than save sick leave. This might be the place to start assessing "Mental Health" in certain individuals' longer-term behavior trends.
Most of the time, simply some outside or supervisory attention causes that pilot to change his behavior in the cockpit for purely practical considerations--I don't want to deal with the company on my days off and I don't want to lose a $200k+/yr income for jerkish behavior that I can at least pretend to correct. I heard that one airline calls in a captain when he gets 25 FOs avoiding him and say, "there are a lot a guys avoiding flying with you. Are you having any medical, mental or personal issues in play? If so we'd like to give you some time off to resolve these issues. Let us know in the next couple of weeks if you want some time off. Our only concern is your welfare and we're just here to help." Non confrontational but crystal clear: we know you're a jerk and there's a bumpy road ahead if you don't fix it. I heard that this often fixes the problem without time off or further discussion.
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#14
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I agree there should be a way to resolve issues with these captains.
However, I doubt at 50% that this was the reason you went into denial mode.
It may have been a contributing factor, but unless you had avoid captain xxxxxx, award work, it was not the reason all your bids failed.
More likely you asked for July 4th weekend off, all weekends off, avoid red eyes, avoid 4 days, avoid trips less than 6 hours/ day etc etc etc etc. and at 50%, you could not do all that AND avoid captain xxxxxx.
However, I doubt at 50% that this was the reason you went into denial mode.
It may have been a contributing factor, but unless you had avoid captain xxxxxx, award work, it was not the reason all your bids failed.
More likely you asked for July 4th weekend off, all weekends off, avoid red eyes, avoid 4 days, avoid trips less than 6 hours/ day etc etc etc etc. and at 50%, you could not do all that AND avoid captain xxxxxx.
#15
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From: B777 x2 furloughed from United
I hope after the German Wings murder suicide airlines are going to be forced to take these issues seriously. Every company has difficult employees, not just pilots or airlines but every industry.
Maybe the NTSB will suggest a program after the full investigation is published.
Maybe the NTSB will suggest a program after the full investigation is published.
#16
I agree there should be a way to resolve issues with these captains.
However, I doubt at 50% that this was the reason you went into denial mode.
It may have been a contributing factor, but unless you had avoid captain xxxxxx, award work, it was not the reason all your bids failed.
More likely you asked for July 4th weekend off, all weekends off, avoid red eyes, avoid 4 days, avoid trips less than 6 hours/ day etc etc etc etc. and at 50%, you could not do all that AND avoid captain xxxxxx.
However, I doubt at 50% that this was the reason you went into denial mode.
It may have been a contributing factor, but unless you had avoid captain xxxxxx, award work, it was not the reason all your bids failed.
More likely you asked for July 4th weekend off, all weekends off, avoid red eyes, avoid 4 days, avoid trips less than 6 hours/ day etc etc etc etc. and at 50%, you could not do all that AND avoid captain xxxxxx.
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#17
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Well even though I'm at 50% I'm still not privileged enough to avoid a problematic captain that everyone else tries to avoid.
What to do about it? I won't burn sick list. I believe that management should get out from behind their desks and fly with the troublemakers rather than turning them loose on us "jr" 17 yr pilots.
Flt mgrs are well aware of who the problematic captains are.
Has anyone found a workaround for this one?
What to do about it? I won't burn sick list. I believe that management should get out from behind their desks and fly with the troublemakers rather than turning them loose on us "jr" 17 yr pilots.
Flt mgrs are well aware of who the problematic captains are.
Has anyone found a workaround for this one?
I don't fly with jerks.
Is it 0205L again?
#18
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"'I'm guilty of never calling them. I guess that's the only solution. "
Yep you're part of the problem.
Call Pro Standards (kind of like filing an FSAP) and just confront the Captain before the trip even starts; and a good place to do so is the initial flight planning. If this body gives you any push back just tell him/her the two of you are going straight into the flight office to work this out.
Be prepared to have some future vacation, sick list or even a WOP charged to you for the trip. Unless you are willing to pay the price and do something about this pilot's actions nothing will change.
Yep you're part of the problem.
Call Pro Standards (kind of like filing an FSAP) and just confront the Captain before the trip even starts; and a good place to do so is the initial flight planning. If this body gives you any push back just tell him/her the two of you are going straight into the flight office to work this out.
Be prepared to have some future vacation, sick list or even a WOP charged to you for the trip. Unless you are willing to pay the price and do something about this pilot's actions nothing will change.
#19
"'I'm guilty of never calling them. I guess that's the only solution. "
Yep you're part of the problem.
Call Pro Standards (kind of like filing an FSAP) and just confront the Captain before the trip even starts; and a good place to do so is the initial flight planning. If this body gives you any push back just tell him/her the two of you are going straight into the flight office to work this out.
Be prepared to have some future vacation, sick list or even a WOP charged to you for the trip. Unless you are willing to pay the price and do something about this pilot's actions nothing will change.
Yep you're part of the problem.
Call Pro Standards (kind of like filing an FSAP) and just confront the Captain before the trip even starts; and a good place to do so is the initial flight planning. If this body gives you any push back just tell him/her the two of you are going straight into the flight office to work this out.
Be prepared to have some future vacation, sick list or even a WOP charged to you for the trip. Unless you are willing to pay the price and do something about this pilot's actions nothing will change.
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