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Old 08-13-2015 | 08:24 PM
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In five years the average applicant will have to have a minimum of ATP to even be considered.

In the 60s all they had to have was a private pilot license, United paid for their commercial and Instrument. Many never got their multi rating until they took a PC in the right seat (after the FAA made it mandatory).

Today's pilots and applicants are far more qualified than in the day.
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Old 08-14-2015 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by boxer6
This is factually incorrect. In the summer of 1999 they were using a DC10 motion off sim. You flew the same profile they used for years.
I stand corrected, but it was definitely gone by summer of 2000 til hiring ended in 2001.
Just talked with a guy that went to the OBAP job fair. He heard sim is gone Oct 1. only guesses about what will replace it. Some said some kind of CRM exercise. Others said testing like DAL and others do.
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Old 08-14-2015 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
"Anyone who comes from the military with a fighter background can be trained to to do anything"

So it's true, fighter pilots need more training.

All this talk about who's the most qualified makes me nauseous. Here's what counts, if you got hired you met the criteria of the day.
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Old 08-15-2015 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
In five years the average applicant will have to have a minimum of ATP to even be considered.
The future is now:

Minimum qualifications

Certification requirements:
  • Unrestricted FAA Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate with airplane multiengine class rating
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Old 08-15-2015 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SurfnFlyer
I'm not sure but I think for the MIL guys, unrestricted does not mean centerline thrust restrictions.
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Old 08-15-2015 | 06:35 PM
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Yep, that is what I meant! We are in the future!

A restricted ATP is not for centerline thrust, that is a rating.

A restricted ATP is for those who don't meet the minimum requirements but have passed the test. Example, not age 23, part 141 school hours... and

The Restricted ATP certificate is for multi-engine aircraft and can only be used to serve as a first officer at an air carrier.

All pilots must:

Be at least 21 years old;
Hold a commercial pilot certificate with an instrument rating;
Pass the ATP knowledge test and practical test;
Meet the aeronautical experience requirements of Section 61.160.

Military pilots must:

Have a minimum of 750 hours of total flight time as a pilot.

Civilian pilots with 1000 hours of total flight time must:

Be a graduate from an institution of higher education who holds a bachelor's degree with an aviation major and has completed at least 60 semester credit hours of aviation course work;
Have obtained the commercial pilot certificate and instrument rating from an associated part 141 pilot school.

Civilian pilots with 1250 hours of total flight time must:

Be a graduate from an institution of higher education who holds a bachelor's degree or an associate's degree with an aviation major and has completed at least 30 semester credit hours of aviation course work;
Have obtained the commercial pilot certificate and instrument rating from an associated part 141 pilot school.

Civilian pilots with 1500 hours of total flight and 200 hours of cross country flight time qualify.
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Old 08-17-2015 | 01:41 PM
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I think the military will be training mostly drone pilots in the future. Not taking in that many and not letting that many go.

I wouldn't design a hiring interview process designed around what the USAF/USN and other branches do or don't do.

The simulator requirement could only be dropped if you vouched for an applicant. If no "voucher" in place, I would make sure there is a simulator.

No need to do a standard profile either. I would mix it up, but that's just me.
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Old 08-17-2015 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tikicarver
I stand corrected, but it was definitely gone by summer of 2000 til hiring ended in 2001.
Just talked with a guy that went to the OBAP job fair. He heard sim is gone Oct 1. only guesses about what will replace it. Some said some kind of CRM exercise. Others said testing like DAL and others do.
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Old 08-18-2015 | 03:51 AM
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The airlines will be hiring pilots with lower and lower time.

For that reason I think the simulator needs to be kept.

I remember in 1991 having to fly a simulator to interview for Trans States Airlines. I think it was a metro sim.

Also, with lower times, It is likely that the airlines will need to re-adjust their training footprints (expand them). Separate issue, but the training pipe line may get longer.
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Old 08-18-2015 | 05:08 AM
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The sim is mostly about your willingness to do the prep to fly a profile you will never fly either in training or on the line. Still would rather take my chances in a sim because think the sim is better predictor than the Hogan or an arcane knowledge test. Interview and Recs even better.
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