CE750

Not looking to start a heated debate, and I ask we all keep it civil, but I am curious since this forum is filled with so many "happily employed" pilots and no too many out of work ones which may skew their view where the membership here falls on this hot topic in our profession.

No flame bait posts please... keep it professional.

For the record, my vote is for assistance for those in financial need.

BTW.. that's supposed to read "Status" and not "Statis" duh! How about a category for bad spellers!

Mods, forgive me in advance if this is off limits, but I found nothing to tell me that it was (nor do I believe it should be).

Freightpuppy

Sure. Uh huh.




Voted: none

CE750

a discussion with a lot of exchange of ideas, but no name calling... that's when it falls apart!

shackone

Are you really trying to suggest that a pilot should be hired on a basis of skin color, gender, or financial status and not professional ability?

UAL HR personnel from the 1990 time frame need not reply.

CE750

No suggesting anything of the sort... I'm agreeable however to the idea of helping out the young kid with financial aid to attend flight training, etc.. but no preferential hiring at all is my view.

IntheBiz

I notice no one says anything. Telling isn't it?
I've flown with women pilots who were great pilots. I've flown with male pilots who were not so great and would NEVER make captain (anyone from Transmeridian knows what I'm talking about).
We all know the problem; it is inevitable that if we didnt have some sort of affirmative action there would only be male white upper income background military pilots flying at the the likes of FedEx. Having spent time at Fedex (in a different capacity) I noticed that those guys really went out of their way to find fault with minority pilots working there (this is from listening very closely to what they say and what they did).

Now, I have also sat next to a woman pilot at Mesaba who got a job flying a 4 engine jet with 1000/100; 1000 total and 100 multi who went to college in MSP. She even commented with a tongue-in-cheek fashion that she knew of no one else flying with this experience. Personally, I think she got her job because she was drop-dead-gorgeous. She literally looked like Heather Locklear wearing shoulder boards. I thought this was unfair. I remember a crash pad mate of mine who said "I dont think that women pilots are not good pilots, its just that get jobs before they become good pilots"
He's right.
Maybe we should ask if the pilots in this forum find they are more accepting of white hottie pilots over black or Hispanic men?

For the record, I think there should be some AFF. Action for pilots MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS and not below. Like I said, if we didint, it is inevitable that the pilots would always be rich republican white boyz.

vagabond

This ground has been plowed over and over again already.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/showthread.php?t=6357

This topic, like politics and religion, usually brings out the worst in people: men vs women, white vs non-white, rich vs poor, old vs young, even passenger vs cargo! And this being an anonymous board somehow causes people to say things their momma told them not to in public. So let's see what kind of inflammatory comments are out there still.

CE750

I've heard this before on numerous occasions which I why I didn't lump the poll into one "minority" thing... in the end, white women are not a numerical minority in the world, but more so in the profession, and whether it's due to nature or nurture, the fact remains that most women don't fancy the idea of flying an airplane for a living.. certainly one's I've known for my 3 and a half decades of life, but there are going to be women who do, and I say if they have the spacial awareness skills, technical mind, and the "right stuff" to fly, then by all means...

Black men and other obvious minorities (such as native American, or Asian) on the other hand are far more under represented in the profession than white women (when you factor in the interest of doing the job part in).. and in my 15 years being in and around pilots, in the flight training world of CFI's, bottom dweller FAR135 world, and 121 airline world one observation has been quite clear to me... there are a lot of full blown racists out there in Chief Pilot's uniforms and Check Airmans shoes that throw the N word around like bread crumbs at pigeons when around "us whites" or maybe they will go on and on about the Mexicans, this race or the other... but I rarely saw anyone complain if a good looking white woman was hired or flying with them. Come to think of it, I've never heard a single complaint.

Now if we're to accept this self evident anecdote to be fact, that there is a built-in preference that good looking white women have (for obvious reasons), and then compound this with the government and private sector AA programs that are rampant today. Seems to me like the best thing to be in this profession isn't what many here think; which is to say a Black man.. but rather a good looking white woman.

Fair? I say no. Not especially when you consider (politically correct to say or not) that the average black man is going to come from a VERY underprivileged background while likely the attractive white woman's dad my well be a senior Captain (I've seen this often).

CE750

btw... this poll with it's anonymity is quite telling, isn't it?

dojetdriver

Thanks, saved me the trouble of using the search function and copy paste.