View Poll Results: Affirmative action, where do you stand?
None - free market of labor
86
80.37%
Racial - assitance only for racial minorities
4
3.74%
Gender - Assistance only to women
0
0%
Gender/Race - Statis Quo
6
5.61%
$$$$ - based soley on fincial need / economic background
11
10.28%
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Affirmative action survey..
11-26-2006 | 02:12 PM
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From: DD->DH->RU/XE soon to be EV
I've used the skills of networking,constantly improving myself in this profession and always thinking how I can be a better pilot and employee. Taking advantage of every opportunity to move up,so nobody could say he's there cause he's a minority. No I'm here because I approach this profession with the passion I have for flying jets. By the way I got turned down twice in the 90's at UAL,the second time I was a 727 Capt.
11-26-2006 | 04:41 PM
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It has been my experience that AA cuts two ways.
One it allows minorities employment opportunities but also creates doubts as to their abilities. I have heard people make comments such as "Is that Women/Black/Hispanic/ect qualified for that job or did He/She get the job to meet the minority hiring quota?"
These are real concerns. I believe AA undermines the dedication of many people who have worked hard to reach a goal, Minority or White.
Okay Fire Away!
One it allows minorities employment opportunities but also creates doubts as to their abilities. I have heard people make comments such as "Is that Women/Black/Hispanic/ect qualified for that job or did He/She get the job to meet the minority hiring quota?"
These are real concerns. I believe AA undermines the dedication of many people who have worked hard to reach a goal, Minority or White.
Okay Fire Away!
11-26-2006 | 05:45 PM
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From: ERJ CAPT
It has been my experience that AA cuts two ways.
One it allows minorities employment opportunities but also creates doubts as to their abilities. I have heard people make comments such as "Is that Women/Black/Hispanic/ect qualified for that job or did He/She get the job to meet the minority hiring quota?"
These are real concerns. I believe AA undermines the dedication of many people who have worked hard to reach a goal, Minority or White.
Okay Fire Away!
One it allows minorities employment opportunities but also creates doubts as to their abilities. I have heard people make comments such as "Is that Women/Black/Hispanic/ect qualified for that job or did He/She get the job to meet the minority hiring quota?"
These are real concerns. I believe AA undermines the dedication of many people who have worked hard to reach a goal, Minority or White.
Okay Fire Away!
Unfortunately a misunderstanding of what affirmative action is, and what it isn't, is a common issue with these discussions.
1) Legal Affirmative Action doesn't require the hiring of less qualified individuals to meet required quotas. What it does say is that a company must demonstrate that it has taken "affirmative action" to reach out to, and hire qualified individuals from groups that have been historically underrepresented due to racist/sexist/ethnocentric policies. Any hiring of a person just because they are of a certain racial group is pseudo affirmative action.
2) Legal Affirmative Action requires that the individual must meet the qualifications of the job. Of course some qualifications are more subjective than others. In pilot hiring once you meet the minimum requirements, and pass a sim ride everything else is subjective. That's why its so funny when some of us on this forum cry "I was more qualified" everyone that meets the minimum requirements is qualified, if the requirements are 1000/100 and you have 5000/500 your as qualified as the person with 1000/100. In fact, the guy in my training class that flunked out was one of the higher time pilots.
3) Realize that pseudo Affirmative Action has been around for a very long time, and has raised the wealth, stature, and economic vitality of many of the people and their decendents helped by it. Is anyone here familar with Marlon Green, an ex-military Air force pilot that was denied a job with a major airline because of psuedo of Affirmative Action. Do a wikipedia search for his name. You may learn something!
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Last edited by Onfinal; 11-26-2006 at 05:59 PM. Reason: spelling & punctuation
11-26-2006 | 07:22 PM
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