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Old 10-02-2015 | 02:59 PM
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Old 10-02-2015 | 03:03 PM
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Hopefully this isn't lip service. If Munoz is really trying to change things, he is at least trying to get information. See the link below.

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Old 10-02-2015 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
Lots of words. Show me some real, tangible deeds and I'll consider pulling harder. Show me some investment in the employees before I invest my time and efforts to the company. FIX the broken payroll system so I don't have to spend a couple hours auditing my pay...then I may consider writing notes to our 1K's and GS. Lots of words...Smisek had those too.
I disagree. SmallStack didn't have lots of words... or ANY words.... of substance. He never would recognize there was a problem or admit that he made a mistake. Every word he said was pure crap. It's too early to tell if there will be action to follow up this initial communication, but Munoz's words are FAR different than Jeff's
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Old 10-03-2015 | 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
I disagree. SmallStack didn't have lots of words... or ANY words.... of substance. He never would recognize there was a problem or admit that he made a mistake. Every word he said was pure crap. It's too early to tell if there will be action to follow up this initial communication, but Munoz's words are FAR different than Jeff's
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Oscar wont be able to make all our problems go away overnight, but his WORDS are a good start.
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Old 10-03-2015 | 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
SmallStack didn't have lots of words... or ANY words.... of substance. He never would recognize there was a problem or admit that he made a mistake. Every word he said was pure crap. It's too early to tell if there will be action to follow up this initial communication, but Munoz's words are FAR different than Jeff's
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Old 10-03-2015 | 07:24 AM
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Oscar wont be able to make all our problems go away overnight, but his WORDS are a good start.
If he can make them change the tinny 39 second Rhapsody in Blue loop while on hold then I'll know he's got the power to change things.
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Old 10-03-2015 | 08:10 AM
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I think that we have to give Oscar a little latitude. If he is really trying to change the way we do business, we need to cooperate. If we wait for him to do the work and then react, the mess will never get cleaned up. I'm not a pro management person, but I am cautiously optimistic about Mr. Munoz. This mess needs to get cleaned up, or our company will suffer. I want to have a nice 20 year career here at United.
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Old 10-03-2015 | 08:43 AM
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Munoz is giving lip service. He sat on the board and rubber stamped JS's BS. Now he says he wasn't aware of what Jeff was doing. First off the one thing he shouldn't do is lie.

We should hold Munoz more accountable. He wants time then let him get all the contracts done and honor our contract. And maybe then we consider it. Otherwise, let him pound sand.
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Old 10-04-2015 | 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
I disagree. SmallStack didn't have lots of words... or ANY words.... of substance. He never would recognize there was a problem or admit that he made a mistake. Every word he said was pure crap. It's too early to tell if there will be action to follow up this initial communication, but Munoz's words are FAR different than Jeff's
Untrue. Smisek traveled all around the system trying to sell snake oil. But I do get your 'of substance' qualifier... The only difference so far is that we don't know if Munoz's words are pure crap yet...just like Smisek circa 2010. FWIW, I don't know if Munoz has admitted making mistakes....he admits UAL made mistakes, but that was before he took over (sound familiar?).

As I said earlier, my job conduct won't change until UAL changes. There are no WORDS that will persuade me, no pleas for loyalty, no rally cries for 'the good of the company', or rhetoric about focusing on the future and ignoring rear view mirrors. I'm a reasonable, big picture guy - but UAL management 'created' me over past decade plus, so now they have to deal with it.

I'll continue to do my job and enforce my contract as I have been doing.
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Old 10-04-2015 | 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by AllenAllert
Munoz is giving lip service. He sat on the board and rubber stamped JS's BS. Now he says he wasn't aware of what Jeff was doing. First off the one thing he shouldn't do is lie.

We should hold Munoz more accountable. He wants time then let him get all the contracts done and honor our contract. And maybe then we consider it. Otherwise, let him pound sand.
I agree. I want to hear how he feels about his performance as a board member. Does he think the board performed satisfactorily, does he think they were focused on the correct issues, and what he would change in hindsight. Then I want to see what changes he advocates in light of that assessment.

He wants us to hold him accountable. He should articulate what that means...to me it's just a cheap platitude to get us to start rowing faster.
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