Contract extension
 

Anyone know if the 2 year contract negotiations deadline is still the original 45 day period? I believe it was Nov 20th? Didn't know if the sidelining of OM was an issue.

Still on line based on company statements around the quarterly earning press stuff. Union hasn't sent out anything to counter it either. So, I'll assume, yeah I know, they are meeting in closed negotiations as I type.

How successful they are will be known soon enough.

Lee

From a reliable source (not TK or LCA ...) Negotiations are ongoing; look for an unscheduled MEC meeting as an indicator of something.
Then we can all finally see, and vote on this peach.

I read a message from ORD LEC that the extension was a no go and we weren't entertaining it and that discussing it on a public forum weakens our standing as a pilot group.

You're first statement is correct in that we shouldn't even be entertaining an extension but sadly we are. Second statement is right on the money.

Exactly. Talk like this is harmless but go look at the thread on the UAL forum. Any management insider or rat could gather a lot of data on how to proceed and break us apart just by that thread alone. I vote that this and any subsequent contract/extension threads be killed by the moderators.

Excellent post, from a new hire at that. You ready to run for MEC chair? No sarcasm intended.

Thanks, but I've flown with union guys. I appreciate what they do but have no desire to work that hard on layovers and days off. That's why I retired from the military.

Come on, ALPA doesn't have SAPR training.;)

Lol. Another reason among 100 that I retired.

If they stick to just the agenda items, make a realistic pay offer(see Fedex TA for a start), and put an automatic 5% pay raise every year a new contract is not agreed to, willing to listen. While resting paw roughly on the " no" icon.

New info on the other forum. My previous post above might now be invalid.

Which means?

My reliable source may not be, I don't wish to appear stoopid(er) and you should go visit the other forum to see the rumored items over there. This whole thing might be stillborn.

Great, let me rush over there and get pounced on by the thugs. No Thanks. Word will leak out.

Lol so true!!!

So is it jesus, open permit, or supply side economics that makes you so angry at that forum? I'm sorry but
claims of Marxism by a mustachioed WB drivers makes me inkled to treat that evil forum as closer to common sense then anything I see here.

You'll get "pounced on by the thugs" if you just go there and read? Wow! Rough place

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Yup. Particularly if you are a delicate flower. ;)

Brief history lesson for the new folks...

The current UA Forum is an independent forum created as a result of ALPA shutting down the old "official" ALPA operated forum. (Long story.) Some of the same characters are still there, some have retired, and many more new ones have joined. So it's the same but different.

But.....I'm just shocked, shocked I say, that those unionists on the old official forum would not be receptive to right wing dogma.

The only Dogma being tossed around on THAT forum is Marxist. Let me be clear, there is not a free exchange of ideas on THAT board unless you are talking about the contract and even then you could find yourself being accused of being a scab. That board tosses the word SCAB around for anything they don't like. I happen to believe a SCAB is one who crosses a picket line. According to many who were around in '85 there were a bunch of loud-mouth tough-talking ALPA members who crossed the line during the strike. So I personally am very suspicious of those who toss the word SCAB about and assign that term to anybody they happen to disagree with. But there are way too many blowhards talking about political Marxist thoughts and way too few who are willing to take them to task for their left-wing socialist utopian drivel. It's not being a delicate flowers it's more like running the gauntlet and getting kicked in the teeth every time you try to counter the argument. I have been threatened physically for merely suggesting that I disagree. That is a THUG mindset. I chose to leave.

Oh please, have you stepped into the Contentious Issues section? The gun debates alone would keep any John Birch society member happy, let alone the Political threads.

There are plenty of hard core right wingers to counter the "Marxists" and they opine just as freely. Those same union members speak up in "The Crew Room" section as well. There is plenty of give and take from both sides.

Of course, you are free to skip the whole shebang. I merely post this to counter your view in the hopes that the FNGs will show up and see how the other forum operates. We are at a crucial point with "The New U". We would be well served to have as much information as possible WRT what the companies motives and offers are. I think that the new unofficial "union" forum is a great conduit for that, commie warts and all.

Color me Pinko I guess. Blue collar and all.

I do agree with you about the FNG's. They do need to seek out information where it is available. We can't afford to have them kept in the dark about labor issues and we need to emphasize the importance of wearing their ALPA pin proudly.

Wait a minute, you came out with the above and responded with the stuff below.

And you wonder why you get nowhere on the other forum. You do know this forum is loaded with company shills scared of the prospects of being found out by the pilot population. You know them by the swarming they do to protect each other and turn offending discussion into a legacy argument. FBN?

Pretty strange aint it? A proud ALPA member who does not care to associate with the thug side of labor. You might want to wash out your head gear new guy and start thinking about what I am posting.

I'm on board with you Kru.

I tried the other forum once, I made a critique of then MEC "WM". Got my head bit off with language that would not be tolerated face-to-face. That is not the definition of "forum".

Overheard recently..."The best part of retirement is I won't have to be around pilots anymore...." Lol.

Forums. Whatever...

I see, cut and run instead of advocating your position. It doesn't matter what you say, it's what you do and being a "proud ALPA member" has nothing to do with it.

Not a new guy and my headgear is fine there slick. Your ??? like complex is showing. And, you shouldn't call the new hires FNG's and give them a little respect.

Do you show up for a street fight with a fighter or someone who's going to tuck their tail between their legs and run? The street fighter has a code of unionism, the one who runs I'm afraid, has a code of one, himself. Why else would he run to a position of perceived safety except only to protect himself.

I might completely disagree with some positions of those on the forum, but they have my respect because they are willing to take a beating and continue to fight.

it is true. plenty of alpa members crossed picket lines in 83 at uch south and in 85 at uch north. and my tie-tack wearing fo's are almost always the biggest company men when it comes to flying with head colds, waiving duty and rest limits, and rushing through airports to try and make up time lost by poor management policies. the tie-tack is to unionism as the cross is to catholicism : mostly just an empty symbol of something that used to have real meaning. just my thoughts.

Well said.

Pilots are a fairly respectful lot especially to their Captains. Pilots can go through a career without often having their views challenged in the cockpit (or at home) however off-the-wall their ideas might be.

That is not the case with forums. It is like the ultimate CRM in some ways. If you say something off the wall you are going to get numerous people who will tell you so. For confident, well-adjusted and somewhat introspective folks such feedback is welcome. For some more delicate souls an anonymous and more superficial forum like this is more their speed. To each his own.

If you want to know what is going on at United Airlines for pilots and get contractual questions answered ualpilotsforum.org is a great resource for over 20% of United pilots and its membership is growing rapidly. If you don't want to talk politics, religion, etc. stay out of the contentious issues section. Pretty simple.

Sounds like an opportunity for mentoring to me, I do believe that is CA's responsibility....no? :)

I have been on UAL forums since I was hired 2.5 years ago and have never visited any forum other than the Crew Room. Good info on there. You can figure out who the characters are pretty quickly and take their posts with a couple grains of salt.

It truly is one of the best parts of retirement...a few friends and individuals notwithstanding. Not being around or part of a group of pilots is a plus. These types of boards just emphasize the point.

In all fairness, with industry change, organized labor in private, corporate America slowly going the way of the dodo bird and technology eventually taking over for pilots at some future point, I'm not surprised some are "confused.";)

I guess those "confused" just don't know anything about deregulation.:D

Is it confusing to be retired and still hang around a forum filled with individuals that have their whole careers ahead of them. You can't call the young pilots confused when they saw what your generation/group did and what was left them to fix. They want more and better like you did "back in the day". You know - bright eyed and optimistic.

Quotes and a "wink?"...what's not to understand?...never mind.

2 things:

1. Why are we still talking about a contract extension on a public forum accessible to any Tom, Dick, and Harry?

2. Why on God's green earth is a retired CA still hanging out on pilot forums? In one breath you say the best part of retirement is not having to be around us any more yet you still spend your free time hanging around us?

Moderators, please shut down this and all future contract discussion/extension threads. It'll help us who are still in this job do better.

Show me the money

Ditto! Shut down the thread? Gimme a break.

...albeit on a different board, management never copied posts to use them against the pilot group in a lawsuit.

I'm not against web discussions about contract negotiations, but it is true they, Company, do look at them.

But more importantly they keep accurate records of contractural waving, disregard and other metrics to support their requests.