Already a line holder. Wrong again

Long call= 13 hours to PUSH
Short call= 2.5 hours (not 4 like it used to be) with considerations for traffic, weather....
UNLIMITED Short Calls or Field Standby (airport reserve)
Get extra hour of pay for each short call/ field standbys not used after the first 2
73 hour guarantee compared to 70 for line holder...

not wrong again. because not wrong previously
if you're a lineholder, chill out. the pilots in reserve who you cry for will have lines soon enough.
i still say let's go back to three hour callout, 24/7.
you want better ?

Guess what? You have the same vote as anyone else, exactly one. So that makes you no more and no less influential than the most junior pilot here. Ha ha.......

Welcome to the discussion and thank you for your measured and thoughtful post. I also appreciate the career advice. Forgive me Obi-Wan, I am just a newbie to this wonderful career and have much to learn.

With regard to your suggestions,

1. Mother Teresa (no 'h') is dead and no longer hiring. She had but one set of wings.

2. I only want some semblance of what our reserve rules USED to look like, before freebie FSB and scattershot SC assignments appeared (pre-merger). And perhaps maybe the ability for line holders to actually to pick up or drop a trip as long as there are 25 guys ON reserve on any given day. "Sorry, no coverage" is purely punitive. I'd like to see us fix relatively cheap stuff like that.

3. I'm actually not on reserve, but would like the flexibility to pick up a reserve line now and again. As of right now, its just too heinous to contemplate.

4. I want QOL for all pilots across the spectrum, not just those on reserve. I chose to key on that because it was one of the items specifically addressed in Jay's missive in which he announced the quickie extension of our industry trailing (in nearly all areas outside of pay and LTD) contract. Its also one area of the contract which seems to generate a ton of PDR's.

5. It's a 2.5 hour call out, not 4.


Not sure about your use of your though....so I looked it up.

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Your is the possessive form of you. It functions as an adjective, usually going before the noun it modifies. For example, in the phrase your books, your is an adjective modifying the noun books. You're is a contraction of you are.

Your vs. you're - Grammarist

grammarist.com/spelling/your-youre/

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I think that "you're an airline pilot" looks better. Don't you?

And lastly, before I go F myself, I've been here since before 9-11 and in the industry a lot longer than that. Of my time at UA, I've probably spent at least 8 years on reserve as a result of bumps and furloughs. So much my two year stint! The airline guys who got me into flying are now laughing at us and at how little we have come to expect from this "profession". I'd like to see us regain some lost ground. Sorry if that rankles your feathers so much. :)

Reserve Gouge 5.0 Long Call - Reserve Day Trade Window opens 25th @ 1300 LCL - Futures Desk - All reserves begin as LC unless awarded pure SC line (20-K-1-A) - 73 hour Guarantee (3-C-1-b-1) - On call 24 hrs per day (20-K-5-b) - 13 hours to push from initial notification (20-K-5-a) - 10 hours notice for SC assignment 0000-1759 - 12hr notice from 1800-2359 (20-K-6-d) - 10:45 min base rest if you're the only reserve available and assigned additional flying during the assignment window (20-I-6-h-1)(5-F-3-h-3)(must still have 8 hr sleep opportunity per FAR 117) - 12:45 min time between trips reducible to 10:45 for assignments not under 20-I-6-h-1. Reduction would apply if on a current trip and assigned a subsequent trip and current trip is delayed more than 2 hours.(5-F-3-h-1&2)(5-E-3-e-1) - 1000 Earliest report time following days off for assignments made before1800. Could be earlier than 1000 if 2-way comm is made. Other protections apply under 20-K-7-d. (Per MEC update Dec 29th 2013) - Released at 1000 if next day is RDO, HDO or VDO (20-K-5-c) - Released at 1500 if next day is FDO or CDO (20-K-5-c)(virtual release at 1200, no assignment can be made after 1200 unless waived, assignment can't begin on FDO) - APU – opens 1100 lcl day prior – If on a day off - May pick up trip in Silo or Silo -1. If on LC may pick up trip in Silo 1100-1500, then Silo -1 after 1500. (20-K-8-B) - Release to Trip - APU - released at time of APU, freeze trip on CCS to prevent line holder pick-up if desired. - Release to Trip – Assignments – released from current day & until show time on day of trip if frozen from line holder pick-up (20-K-4-a &c) - Assignments Made – 1300-1500 lcl, must check schedule at 1500 only if on LC (print or screen shot!!!) (20-I-6-d) - On last day off prior to reserve - must check schedule & acknowledge assignments between 1800-2359 (20-K-7-e) - Must check schedule after block in for assignment/reassignment (20-K-1-d) - No rolling days off to cover a short call or FSB assignment (20-K-3-C-5) - Unused SC immediately reverts back to LC (20-K-6-g) - Released to beginning of SC assignment (20-K-6-e) - SC conversion is for a single reserve period not whole reserve block (20-K-6-A) - 1 hour added to MPG for each day above 2 UNUSED Short Call/FSB (APU or assigned) (Once at 3 hours added to MPG you can't APU for more hours added to MPG)(3-C-1-b-1-a) - 1 hour added to MPG for each day above 5 ASSIGNED UNUSED short calls/FSB (not APU'd) (3-C-1-b-1-b) - May not be assigned more than 90hrs of flying/non flying (DH counts ½ toward limit)(rig time does not count towards 90hr limit)(5-B-2-c-1-4) Short Call - 76 hour guarantee for pure SC line (3-C-1-b-2) - 14 hour Reserve Availability Period (RAP) (20-K-6-a) (After approx 11:30 into your SC you become virtually unusable – basic reserve) - RAP + Assignment can't exceed 16hrs or FAR 117 Table B plus 4hrs whichever is less (FAR 117) - 2.5 hours to report time from initial notification (basic & global) consideration for heavy traffic (20-A-4-a) - Report Times - 60 min basic, 30 min DH, 90 min global reducible to 60 min(5-E-2-b)(20-A-4-c) - Released at 1500 on last day of reserve unless notified otherwise (20-K-6-h) - 10:00 intervening rest required if released from RAP for a later assignment (20-K-6-f) - APU – 1100-2359 - May pick up trip Silo or Silo -1 while on SC but must have 10 hrs between SC end time and new assignment. (20-K-8-B) - Release to Trip – APU - Must finish current day assignment, APU may be taken away if current day assignment interferes with APU. Freeze from line holder pick-up if desired (20-K-8-f) - Release to Trip – Assignments – released from current day & until show time on day of trip if trip is frozen from line holder pick-up (20-K-4-a&c) - If on SC - not required to check schedule at 1500 for next days assignment. Crew Desk must call to release you from your SC if assigned Trip/SC/FSB for tomorrow otherwise you must finish your SC. - Reserve released to an assignment shall not be required to answer his phone. (20-K-4-b) - 1 SC or FSB assignment per day (20-K-3-c-(6)) - Close in parking reimbursed for show times <3hrs (20-A-4-a) - FSB - 4 hours at airport, trip must be scheduled to depart no later than 5 hrs from start of FSB. (5-H) Reassignments: - Visiting reserve to be reassigned into his days off prior to using a reserve on his regular reserve days (20-I-4-b) Reassignments must comply with return limits in 20-L - Once assigned a trip the only way to be reassigned for multiple days is under 20-I-6-b-(2). Reassignments must comply with the return limits in 20-L. 20-I-4-b Visiting Reserve. (Applies even if local reserves are available to do the trip) The Open Trip or flying shall be reassigned to a Reserve whose Trip ends with a deadhead, by replacing the deadhead with Open Flying, including deadheading to cover Open Flying, provided the reassignment is scheduled to return the Pilot to his Base without exceeding the limitations specified in Section 20-L, as measured off his previously-assigned Trip. 20-I-6-b-(2) A Reserve whose Trip ends with a deadhead, by replacing the deadhead with Open Flying, including deadheading to cover Open Flying, provided the reassignment complies with Section 20-L, as measured off the end of his last reserve day. (Applies if no local reserves are available) 20-I-6-h-(3) A Reserve may be given an add-on reassignment that begins after the completion of his current Trip. Such reassignment must comply with Section 20-L. A Reserve who is given such a reassignment shall not be given a subsequent assignment or reassignment under the provisions of Section 20-I-6-h without his concurrence. Additionally, such a reassignment must be made by the time the Reserve has blocked in on the last leg of his current Duty Period. 20-F-1 Loss of Full Trip or Originating Segment of Trip When a Pilot loses a full Trip or the originating portion thereof, due to a schedule repair, being out of position, cancellation, consolidation or Equipment substitution, regardless of whether he has reported for the Trip, he may be assigned or reassigned by the Company as follows: 20-F-1-c-(1) It cannot be scheduled to interfere with the Pilot's next scheduled day off. If a Reserve receives an assignment or reassignment under Section 20-F-1-b, it must also comply with Section 20-L. 20-F-2 Loss of Segment After Originating Segment of Trip When a Pilot loses any portion of a Trip other than the originating segment, regardless of whether he has reported for the Trip, he may be reassigned to other known Open Flying, including deadheading to such flying, in accordance with Section 20-L. 20-L-2 Basic Flying Reassignment Limitations 20-L-2-a When a Pilot's original Arrival time is: 20-L-2-a-(1) From 0100 to 1200, the Pilot must be scheduled to arrive from the reassigned Trip no later than 1200 the next day. 20-L-2-a-(2) From 1201 to 0059, the Pilot must be scheduled to arrive from the reassigned Trip no later than 0059 the next day. - 5-E-6-b HDO (Holy Day Off): a reserve day off that may not be disrupted for the assignment of a trip. (You can't be assigned a trip that starts on a Holy Day or a trip that starts on a reserve day and goes into a Holy Day but you can be reassigned from your current trip into a Holy Day) From JNC Cruise News Nov 12, 2012. "Days off that can't be moved for the assignment of a trip do not preclude a pilot from being reassigned into a day off that would otherwise not be movable, subject to the return limits in Section 20-L."
- 20-L-2-c A Reserve whose original assignment included flying on an FDO shall not be reassigned beyond that FDO, without his concurrence. - 20-L-6-b Day-Off Pay. A Pilot shall receive fifty percent (50%) Add Pay for all scheduled Flight Time and Deadhead Time on a day off (regardless of whether the day off is restored). A Reserve who is reassigned into a FDO or CDO shall not receive Add Pay for the reassignment. (applies to a RE-assignment into day off and not a legal assignment into a day off) - 5-E-6-c FDO (Flexible Day Off): a reserve day off that, for a Basic or Global Reserve, may be disrupted for the assignment of a Basic Trip and, for a Global Reserve, may be disrupted for the assignment of a Global Trip. Without the concurrence of the Pilot and the Company, an FDO may only be placed on the first day of a period of days off and may not be placed after a period of six (6) days of reserve availability or on a golden day off as defined in Section 5-E-9. - 20-K-3-b-(3) If a Trip cannot be assigned without disruption of days off, it shall be assigned to a Reserve who requires the fewest number of disrupted days off. - 5-F-5-b A Reserve who is reassigned into a day or days off shall have that day or days off restored, except that with concurrence between the Company and the Reserve, he may receive four (4) hours of Add Pay in lieu of restoration of one (1) day off. General Info: - SC/FSB/Trips assigned after 1100 must remain in open time for 4 hrs or 15 hrs prior to report time whichever is earlier, if assignment becomes open within 15 hrs it is immediately assignable (20-I-2 & 20-I-6-e) -20-H-6 Moving an Open Trip to Another Base: 20-H-6-b Any deadheading made necessary by moving the Trip to another Base shall be booked in First Class, if available at time of booking. If First Class is not available, the Pilot shall be booked according to Section 5-C, but shall be upgraded automatically if a First Class seat becomes available. Upgrade priority shall be in seniority order and ahead of all upgraded passengers. (MEC DYK publication - pairings should be built with H6 as last two digits in pairing #) - Covering/assigning trips to Reserves (20-I-6) - Reserve call out pay - called out but then later cancelled whether you actually report or not 2 hours pay. (20-A-6 & 3-C-3-g) - Waiving Show Time: 1:30-2:15 show time 1 hour add pay (20-A-4-b) - Waiving Report Time: <1:30 show time 2 hours add pay (20-A-4-b) - Waiving contractual duty times 31-75 min 2.5hrs add pay, >75 min 5hrs add pay - single leg duty period only, DH counts as leg (5-F-1-h, LOA 30, MOU 22) - Waving 9 hours behind door rest: Operational Integrity 5 hrs add pay (5-F-8) Restrictions apply (5-F-8-c) - Reserve may volunteer to convert a day off to a reserve day for (4) hours of Add Pay once per bid period (used in lieu of day-off restoration). CM concurrence required. (5-E-5-c) - VDO - convert day off to VDO for 50% add pay for VDO and days following VDO if assigned a trip. No pay if not used. (5-E-8-b) -Enter 117 Table B at Trip Report Time not RAP start time, DH does not count as a flight segment

Ohhh. You said Cliff Notes. Sorry. Never mind.

Well said! ...........

I hope I get to meet you one day. I'v always respected your posts here. I always want to leave it better than it was and when I'm senior I will look out for those junior. I hope a guy hired today has it better than I had it. That means I have done my job to improve this career.

Plus 1!!!!!