No furlough clause in TA
12-23-2015, 06:18 AM
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No furlough clause in TA
Can someone inform me as to what the no furlough clause for anyone on property at d.o.s. of the TA is? My council 5 rep mentioned it in his email and this is the first I'm hearing about it.
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12-23-2015, 06:37 AM
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My guess is he meant to say the LOA expands the furlough protections to everyone hired since the C2012 took affect. Below is cut from the summary they sent yesterday.
Extend UPA provisions in 1-C-1-h and 1-I to include pilots hired since UPA DOS
All 76 seaters converted to 70 seats if any pilot hired prior to TA DOS is furloughed (1-C-1-h)
o Physically remove seats
o Continue to be counted as though it is being operated as 76-Seat Aircraft
Capture pilots hired prior to TA DOS in “General Furlough Protection” notice and limit rules
Extend UPA provisions in 1-C-1-h and 1-I to include pilots hired since UPA DOS
All 76 seaters converted to 70 seats if any pilot hired prior to TA DOS is furloughed (1-C-1-h)
o Physically remove seats
o Continue to be counted as though it is being operated as 76-Seat Aircraft
Capture pilots hired prior to TA DOS in “General Furlough Protection” notice and limit rules
12-23-2015, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Pro2nd
Can someone inform me as to what the no furlough clause for anyone on property at d.o.s. of the TA is? My council 5 rep mentioned it in his email and this is the first I'm hearing about it.
force majeure.
12-23-2015, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
It sounds great on paper, and prevents the company unilaterally doing something stupid, but just remember two words that apply when the spam hits the fan before you hang your hat on it:
force majeure.
force majeure.
12-23-2015, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by El10
My guess is he meant to say the LOA expands the furlough protections to everyone hired since the C2012 took affect. Below is cut from the summary they sent yesterday.
Extend UPA provisions in 1-C-1-h and 1-I to include pilots hired since UPA DOS
All 76 seaters converted to 70 seats if any pilot hired prior to TA DOS is furloughed (1-C-1-h)
o Physically remove seats
o Continue to be counted as though it is being operated as 76-Seat Aircraft
Capture pilots hired prior to TA DOS in “General Furlough Protection” notice and limit rules
Extend UPA provisions in 1-C-1-h and 1-I to include pilots hired since UPA DOS
All 76 seaters converted to 70 seats if any pilot hired prior to TA DOS is furloughed (1-C-1-h)
o Physically remove seats
o Continue to be counted as though it is being operated as 76-Seat Aircraft
Capture pilots hired prior to TA DOS in “General Furlough Protection” notice and limit rules
12-23-2015, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
It sounds great on paper, and prevents the company unilaterally doing something stupid, but just remember two words that apply when the spam hits the fan before you hang your hat on it:
force majeure.
force majeure.
12-23-2015, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by El10
Except that 1-C-1-h is not subject to force majeure
And everybody should read 1-C-1-h. It's not a no-furlough clause, it's what happens when UA does furlough.
Oh, and section 1-I (General Furlough Protection) is absolutely subject to force majeure (ref 1-I-4).
Last edited by cadetdrivr; 12-23-2015 at 08:30 AM.
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