Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer

Going to have to give a little to get a little IMO the next time we negotiate. That's why we saw no changes as the two parties were too far apart.

Having done both global and basic reserve, a day off should be a day off. If they are short, $$$ talks. Incentives to pick up a trip on a day off or for a reserve to VDO are all that are needed.

The SC and FSB issues can be partially corrected by having straight SC lines but with more days off than a LC line or higher pay. That would take care of almost all SC issues. And line it up so LC can aggressive pick up and LC would be used before a SC as long as the trip was available outside the 13 hour window. This would be good for commuters to not worry about short call and good for local guys as they wouldn't have to work as many days. The company would have their SC coverage and LC coverage on a constant basis. SC would also be covering early shows so no need to change the 1000 first day report for LC.

If they wanted to convert a LC to short call for a day, pay 5 hours a day.
Converting SC to FSB could be negotiated that same or allow 2 FSB conversions a month. I'd also want a cap on the amount of SC/FSB conversions per pilot a month without pilot concurrence.

If that doesn't fly and the current system stays mainly in place, SC assignments need to be built by 1100 and assigned by 1500. No more randomly created SC at 11pm.

Originally Posted by gettinbumped

I like your list, and think that there are some good ideas on there. Heck, reserve would be a better deal than line holders!

I think you will find that to accomplish these gains would be VERY VERY expensive. Especially not having moveable days off on Intl reserve. We have had that at LUAL forever. (Don't know about LCAL). It would basically force a HUGE increase in the number of wide body positions. Good for us!!!!!! The question is, how much would it cost in negotiating capital. Methinks it would be a HUGE HUGE number

Originally Posted by Pro2nd

Anyway, it will be what it will be. I'm voting no, as is my wife. If it passes, like it most likely will, I will make the best of it and could very well see a shiney new sports car in the garage in February to releave the stress of getting my days off rolled for the next 3 years.
Happy new year UAL brothers and sisters!

Originally Posted by SUX4U

Aren't probationary pilots not allowed to vote on this TA?

Originally Posted by Tony Nelson

Correct(or any other contract).

Originally Posted by Andy

Stepping back for a moment, why do changes to the reserve system have to be gives and takes? I'd like to know from schedulers' points of views ways to make the system better for them while enhancing reserve life. If there are changes that can improve the company's reliability while having a positive impact on pilots' reserve lives, they could be implemented by a LOA rather than having to wait until the next contract.

Originally Posted by Pro2nd

Thanks,

Maybe I'm delusional with what I'm looking for. some of this may be a long shot and may indeed make reserve a nice way to work at United. I don't know why reserve has to be a poor qol. I guess simply because it has always been in the past, and none of us like change. If I was senior, while living in base, I wouldn't mind bidding reserve for the long term if it gave me more days at home and the reserve rules got straightened out giving me qol.

I think getting rid of RDO days would force them to staff the global fleet properly. They have absolutely no incentive to now. At the vary least why are we not compensated at all for rolling our days? This seems insane to me coming from a lowly regional airline with reserve rules far superior. There is no excuse to need more days available from a pilot than 18! And RDO days are basically more days on call. I still can't believe that was even allowed in a major airline contract to begin with.

Anyway, it will be what it will be. I'm voting no, as is my wife. If it passes, like it most likely will, I will make the best of it and could very well see a shiney new sports car in the garage in February to releave the stress of getting my days off rolled for the next 3 years.
Happy new year UAL brothers and sisters!

Originally Posted by gettinbumped

The difference is that regional flying doesn't really need the ability to roll days off. Worst case is you fly a couple hours away from a crew base. Much eastier to staff than a 6 day 747 trip that gets no closer to home than NRT. It would require a MASSIVE number of reserves to cover it effectively. Not saying that wouldn't be GREAT for us, but the company would cost it enormously. And given the RLA, there wouldn't be a whole lot we could do to change it without spending a TON of negotiating capital. I agree that the FDO for basic flying is crap. There are enough crew bases around to handle it.

Reserve QOL can be rough. It can also be amazing. I ran into a 747 Captain the other day who I know and he was headed back to DENTK for landings. Think about that. If this TA passes he's making north of $300/hr to fly less than 1 trip a month. Obviously a 756 FO is going to have a different experience. But believe it or not, reserve is a LOT better than it used to be; for LCAL prior to the merger, and for LUAL prior to about 2005 or so when there was no such thing as long call.