LEaP Training
 

What's the LEaP training about? Just a koom-by-ya session or just a safety vaccination?

Safety............

And five hours of pay.

Except for reserves.

It is a 6 hour CRM class. And it is as exciting as it sounds.

I thought the training was excellent.

Back when I was doing SPC work, I had the privilege of doing some recurrent CLR training....oh...about when we were hip deep in the contract negotiations. Even though it was pure harassment by our then SFO chief pilot, it was a good course.

In my critique, I recommended the entire airline get a recurrent CLR similar course. Bueller?.....Bueller????....Nothing. Remember, we were deep into the phase changes in the fleets and flight manuals. We could have used this course a couple of years ago.

Better late than never. Good stuff.

The 2 day CLR was one of the worst experiences of my life (back in 1998).

I got the concept in about 20 minutes, but we beat that dead horse for two full days!

I've heard good things about LEAP training though.

That is how I felt about the LEaP course as a whole. All the content was interesting, but I didn't need to be subject to six hours of it on a day off.

I agree that a refresher is good, but it seems like this airline really likes beating dead horses. I noticed it in initial training. For example, I don't want to say we spent an excessive amount of time on reroutes (even in recurrent!), because excessive is not enough to describe how much we did it.

There is a difference between good, thorough training and pointless repetitiveness.

Seriously, do you think UAL paid you 5 hours pay and a box lunch just because they thought it was a good idea.

While I haven't been there yet, consider what you heard and how the FAA may have viewed those incidents. Some of these "stand downs" are there because far greater financial penalties possibly await UAL for not providing proper training from the start.

For those who need a refresher of what can happen:

November 1987 DEN CAL 1713 DC-9-14

Captain's time in jet - 166 hours, F/O 26
Conditions - Snow Storm
Dead - 28

According to the FAA report, NTSB Number AAR-88/09 and NTIS Number PB88-910411:

"The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the captain's failure to have the airplane deiced a second time after a delay before takeoff that led to upper wing surface contamination and a loss of control during rapid takeoff rotation by the first officer. Contributing to the accident were the absence of regulatory or management controls governing operations by newly qualified flight crew members and the confusion that existed between the flightcrew members and air traffic controllers that led to the delay in departure."

"The cockpit voice recorder from this crash was discussed in the cockpit of another flight that crashed the following year - Delta Air Lines Flight 1141.[10] The fact that "three minutes of non-pertinent social conversation" had occurred before take-off was mentioned in the official NTSB report.[11]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contin...es_Flight_1713

Much better talking it out in a warm room, 5 hours pay and a box lunch.

Oh I noticed something from this post:
"I got the concept in about 20 minutes, but we beat that dead horse for two full days!"
You didn't forget it, did you!

I haven't gone yet, but through the magic of social media, I'll make this unscientific and potentially insulting assertion.

The people who I admire and wish I was like enjoyed the training. The folks who bad mouthed it are, for the most part, sociopathic, redneck, chronic complainers who create needless drama when they come to work.

YMMV

They're no dummies. $10M for us to watch some slides and discuss, or perhaps hundreds of millions to have class A, top-notch training programs worthy of a world-class airline. Bonuses all around.

Our competitors don't need safety courses. Just public declarations by the CEO:

Qatar Airways fires pilot encharge of Miami Incident ? Aviation Gazette

I have found the same thing. I thought it was a good class.

Shocker !!

Millennial's of the world unite !!! :D

PS, the above was just a joke but que the old guy, please retire comment in 3...2...1......

Dress Business casual, a'la schoolhouse?

I went today in jeans and a T-shirt. Granted I had my 1961 UAL mechanic jacket on over the top...:D

Golf shirt and jeans and up from there. Vast majority in jeans.

Since new PC rules are always lurking, you can dress like a weirdo and nobody will say anything. They will all fear that you are the bait in a trap to catch those who harbor prejudice against weirdos. :D

I thought it was excellent and I'm far from a milennial.

Scheduled for the class in iah at the end of the month..
Does it run till 1600 or are they letting out early?

Are you a Fed?
Not sure...


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My class got out at 1530. They said it depends on the instructors and how interactive you are in class. I'd plan on 1600.

Not telling you anything you don't already know, but the quieter you are, fewer stories told, the faster the class goes.

True that! Remember, there are no stupid questions but there ARE stupid people asking questions :).

LEAP is not FAA mandated training....Feds couldn't care less what time you leave.

Ah, yes young grasshopper, but if you wish to be paid, and not have to come in and do it twice and only get paid once, I suggest you stay...:eek:

It is required by UAL. However, no one said you had to be awake...sorry to say, I may have taken a nap or two. Get there a few minutes early and get a back row seat, you know, the ones you can lean against the back wall.

Does the company provide a positive space ticket to get to the LEAP class?

Yes............

"LEAP is not FAA mandated training."

Well the real answer is if UAL mandates it the FAA does also. But, will you be fined by the FAA for not attending?

No, but UAL won't let you fly.

"Major Major never sees anyone in his office while he's in his office."

I'm surprised that they have not beheaded them in public at the airport. Such a nice place to work.

Excellent catch 22 reference.


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If they don't show this video at LEaP training they should:

http://youtu.be/tv2vH5zQ2fU

It took me a few seconds to process the joke about "Hoar" frost...

That is a good one!:D:D

Just got out of LEAP training in SFO. The time spent in class was worthwhile. It was paced properly for the time allotted and it was very thought-provoking. Glad I went.

I had a similar feeling after mine last week in ORD. Good information. Gave me reason to pause and take stock of things. I'd like to see the LEaP effort continue into the years ahead.

Regarding the attire, a handful wore jeans, two were in uniform, most were "Blockbuster or better". (for the younger crowd, that translates into khakis and a collared golf shirt - or nicer).

Halfway through I had the strange sense that the class, in it's entirety, may have been conceived and constructed to recover from Smisek's "labor is not needed for this merger" statement of six years ago. It seemed to build into an almost holy view of the "professional," steeped in the history of guilds and service to fellow pilot and employee, a far cry from Smisek and Bethune trying to make all equally dispensable, no one is special, you're an easily replaced cog.

Maybe I was just reading too much into it.

It will. This was the first year of a three-year program. The rest via CQDL.

Just went through ithe last week. It was time we'll spent.

Agree. It was nice to discuss stuff with a gathered group of fellow pilots. But then, I'm a "boomer" and appreciate classroom instruction.

I'm an X'r and just want to make sure it's contractually compliant and I get paid correctly for my participation. ;) It was, however, good stuff.