What's the LEaP training about? Just a koom-by-ya session or just a safety vaccination?

 

Safety............

 

And five hours of pay.

 

Except for reserves.

 

It is a 6 hour CRM class. And it is as exciting as it sounds.

 

I thought the training was excellent.

 

Back when I was doing SPC work, I had the privilege of doing some recurrent CLR training....oh...about when we were hip deep in the contract negotiations. Even though it was pure harassment by our then SFO chief pilot, it was a good course.

In my critique, I recommended the entire airline get a recurrent CLR similar course. Bueller?.....Bueller????....Nothing. Remember, we were deep into the phase changes in the fleets and flight manuals. We could have used this course a couple of years ago.

Better late than never. Good stuff.

 

The 2 day CLR was one of the worst experiences of my life (back in 1998).

I got the concept in about 20 minutes, but we beat that dead horse for two full days!

I've heard good things about LEAP training though.

 

That is how I felt about the LEaP course as a whole. All the content was interesting, but I didn't need to be subject to six hours of it on a day off.

I agree that a refresher is good, but it seems like this airline really likes beating dead horses. I noticed it in initial training. For example, I don't want to say we spent an excessive amount of time on reroutes (even in recurrent!), because excessive is not enough to describe how much we did it.

There is a difference between good, thorough training and pointless repetitiveness.

 

Seriously, do you think UAL paid you 5 hours pay and a box lunch just because they thought it was a good idea.

While I haven't been there yet, consider what you heard and how the FAA may have viewed those incidents. Some of these "stand downs" are there because far greater financial penalties possibly await UAL for not providing proper training from the start.

For those who need a refresher of what can happen:

November 1987 DEN CAL 1713 DC-9-14

Captain's time in jet - 166 hours, F/O 26
Conditions - Snow Storm
Dead - 28

According to the FAA report, NTSB Number AAR-88/09 and NTIS Number PB88-910411:

"The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the captain's failure to have the airplane deiced a second time after a delay before takeoff that led to upper wing surface contamination and a loss of control during rapid takeoff rotation by the first officer. Contributing to the accident were the absence of regulatory or management controls governing operations by newly qualified flight crew members and the confusion that existed between the flightcrew members and air traffic controllers that led to the delay in departure."

"The cockpit voice recorder from this crash was discussed in the cockpit of another flight that crashed the following year - Delta Air Lines Flight 1141.[10] The fact that "three minutes of non-pertinent social conversation" had occurred before take-off was mentioned in the official NTSB report.[11]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contin...es_Flight_1713

Much better talking it out in a warm room, 5 hours pay and a box lunch.

Oh I noticed something from this post:
"I got the concept in about 20 minutes, but we beat that dead horse for two full days!"
You didn't forget it, did you!