Staffing Projections
03-30-2016 | 07:19 PM
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Staffing Projections
I was looking at the hiring info for United here on APC and it stated this as of 2 days ago:
"Is Hiring?: Yes
United is hiring at the rate of 100 per month. The goal is to expand the seniority list to 16,000 pilots over the next few years. Apply online"
I haven't read this anywhere official, has anyone else seen this published?
"Is Hiring?: Yes
United is hiring at the rate of 100 per month. The goal is to expand the seniority list to 16,000 pilots over the next few years. Apply online"
I haven't read this anywhere official, has anyone else seen this published?
03-30-2016 | 07:39 PM
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I've heard 15,000 over and over from instructors, updates, charm school attendees with the big wigs, new hires, crew lounge gossip, Internet forum rumors, mindless ramblings, and psychic readings. But hey, 16,000 sounds good too
03-31-2016 | 06:44 AM
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We're going to grow for sure but don't forget the 747 will be parked and that's 22 frames. I have also heard rumor, and I'm not sure I believe it, that United has several leases expiring on the oldest 737s. Since they will be 20 years old United is not going to renew them. I hope all the 737s/320s/MAXs are for growth! We would be a 16,000 pilot group for sure
03-31-2016 | 02:40 PM
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Every furlough since 1978 happened during a period of massive growth. The first furloughees had just shown up for their new hire indoc.
I hope we have 16,000 pilots on the property as well. Unfortunately pragmatism rears its' ugly head, and I think we will see 10k before we see 16k.
03-31-2016 | 02:48 PM
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I believe UAL has ~235 airframes on order or acquiring through leases (319). Assuming 100 airframes are replacement aircraft:
747 being replaced by 350
757 replaced by max9
767 replaced by 787
UAL is still shrinking express and growing mainline. Not all orders are replacement but I would imagine we are headed (assuming a lot of things don't happen) towards 850 airframes. The biggest difference between us and delta is domestic revenue. Delta received the 717 at the perfect time and allowed them to kill it on the domestic side. UAL is not blind and will try to capture as much as they can by upgauging and eliminating the 50 seaters. 15000 seems like the number the company is willing to repeat over and over.
That's my best guess. An additional 300-400 pilots above attrition over the next 5 years.
747 being replaced by 350
757 replaced by max9
767 replaced by 787
UAL is still shrinking express and growing mainline. Not all orders are replacement but I would imagine we are headed (assuming a lot of things don't happen) towards 850 airframes. The biggest difference between us and delta is domestic revenue. Delta received the 717 at the perfect time and allowed them to kill it on the domestic side. UAL is not blind and will try to capture as much as they can by upgauging and eliminating the 50 seaters. 15000 seems like the number the company is willing to repeat over and over.
That's my best guess. An additional 300-400 pilots above attrition over the next 5 years.
03-31-2016 | 03:34 PM
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They already have those pilots on the property. They are dispersed, inefficiently around the system. They keep changing the "long term plan" weekly, and Manpower can't keep up.
Every furlough since 1978 happened during a period of massive growth. The first furloughees had just shown up for their new hire indoc.
I hope we have 16,000 pilots on the property as well. Unfortunately pragmatism rears its' ugly head, and I think we will see 10k before we see 16k.
Every furlough since 1978 happened during a period of massive growth. The first furloughees had just shown up for their new hire indoc.
I hope we have 16,000 pilots on the property as well. Unfortunately pragmatism rears its' ugly head, and I think we will see 10k before we see 16k.
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