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HuggyU2 08-07-2016 10:24 AM

Lerxst, you beat me to it.

minimwage4 08-08-2016 08:39 AM

Why is United wasting time on CFI flows when there are thousands of professional men and women flying United passengers evey single day on United Express? Why is management tap dancing around a true flow? Serious question.

pilotgolfer 08-08-2016 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 2176293)
Why is United wasting time on CFI flows when there are thousands of professional men and women flying United passengers evey single day on United Express? Why is management tap dancing around a true flow? Serious question.

Or the thousands of well trained 767, 777, 747, etc pilots who don't have a college degree. They are missing out on some talent based on guys missing a worthless diploma.

Dave Fitzgerald 08-08-2016 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by minimwage4 (Post 2176293)
Why is United wasting time on CFI flows when there are thousands of professional men and women flying United passengers evey single day on United Express? Why is management tap dancing around a true flow? Serious question.

Mainly because what is left is close to being tapped out. The ones staying at express would be the very senior, and don't want to move and start over. Many reasons to not move.

The others that are left may be unhirable by the majors. Again, many reasons. I'm not talking about the guys that have apps out and actively applying--low time and building.

So, in my opinion, not wasting time. It's going to have to happen sooner or later. My guess is sooner. We may already be at the tipping point where the flow of pilots from express will slow down a lot because no one is left to hire.

Of course this all assumes that massive hiring will continue by all the majors in the foreseeable future and no downturn happens.

Probe 08-08-2016 09:23 AM

I think the first challenge will not be finding pilots for the majors, but finding pilots for the regionals. Somehow, the majors will have to figure out how to make the regional jobs attractive enough, or THEIR regional pilot jobs more attractive than their competitors, to attract enough butts to fill seats. I don't think doubling first year pay will help very much.

I believe, at some point in the very near future, one of the majors will decide that putting the pilots of all of their branded flights at the mothership will do the most to attract pilots. Their are tens of thousands of foreign pilots that would love to work for UAL or DAL. But they would not come here to work for Mesa.

At the moment, we are probably trending this way anyway. Scrapping the 37-50 seaters, and buying more narrow bodies is moving the bar that way.

We will see how the end game plays out over the next couple of years.

Walkeraviator 08-08-2016 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 2176308)
Mainly because what is left is close to being tapped out. The ones staying at express would be the very senior, and don't want to move and start over. Many reasons to not move.

The others that are left may be unhirable by the majors. Again, many reasons. I'm not talking about the guys that have apps out and actively applying--low time and building.

So, in my opinion, not wasting time. It's going to have to happen sooner or later. My guess is sooner. We may already be at the tipping point where the flow of pilots from express will slow down a lot because no one is left to hire.

Of course this all assumes that massive hiring will continue by all the majors in the foreseeable future and no downturn happens.

I know countless guys with 4 year degrees, mid 30's, 4000+TT, 1000+TPIC, and flawless driving and training records. All looking to move on. Myself included. The pool of qualified applicants is years from being tapped out

cadetdrivr 08-08-2016 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by Walkeraviator (Post 2176366)
I know countless guys with 4 year degrees, mid 30's, 4000+TT, 1000+TPIC, and flawless driving and training records. All looking to move on. Myself included. The pool of qualified applicants is years from being tapped out

How many pilots are at your regional?

How many pilots are UAL/DAL/AA/SWA/AK/FDX/UPS planning to hire in the next 18 months?

You will be moving on, and so will your buds.

fire2flyer 08-08-2016 03:52 PM

On the business side, wouldn't the major airlines want to keep the regional guys staffed. That is cheaper and cost effective seat miles for the major airlines. If they depleat the crews from the smaller guys, wouldn't that hurt them.... especially if they hire so many from the smaller guys that flights continue to cancel and get worse. So if they hire from a flight school, they also keep the smaller guys staffed. I don't like it... But it seems like it could be part of the business plan. Speculation of course.

Probe 08-08-2016 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by fire2flyer (Post 2176561)
On the business side, wouldn't the major airlines want to keep the regional guys staffed. That is cheaper and cost effective seat miles for the major airlines. If they depleat the crews from the smaller guys, wouldn't that hurt them.... especially if they hire so many from the smaller guys that flights continue to cancel and get worse. So if they hire from a flight school, they also keep the smaller guys staffed. I don't like it... But it seems like it could be part of the business plan. Speculation of course.

The rest of the world, including Europe and Australia, put 250 hour pilots in the right seat of a narrow body.

awax 08-08-2016 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by pilotgolfer (Post 2176298)
Or the thousands of well trained 767, 777, 747, etc pilots who don't have a college degree. They are missing out on some talent based on guys missing a worthless diploma.

Really?

Please tell us more about these thousands of well trained big jet pilots.

The BS flag is thrown good sir.


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