Delta Scope give.
10-15-2016 | 01:36 PM
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2012 had nothing to do with general issues and could have called for any number of concessions and I would have voted for it just to end the merger shenanigans and get everyone on the same team. For the record I think you will find the vast majority of L-UAL pilots felt the same way.
10-15-2016 | 03:24 PM
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10-15-2016 | 05:38 PM
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Chest puffing. . . nice . . . why must everything on this forum be personal and negative 
Anyways . . .
In my career the only contracts I've had were 1) 2000 which was an across the board win (or so it seemed) 2) 2 contracts in bankruptcy both of which I sent emails to the MEC saying we should test whether striking in bankruptcy was legal (which American later proved was a viable concern) and then 3) 2012
2012 had nothing to do with general issues and could have called for any number of concessions and I would have voted for it just to end the merger shenanigans and get everyone on the same team. For the record I think you will find the vast majority of L-UAL pilots felt the same way.
The Delta TA is being proffered at a time when concessions are simply not necessary. I understand and have read the Delta union explanation that the percentages involved reflect Air France's use of the A380, but I don't think the union should be tasked with solving the stupidity of an Air France management decision. That's like letting the Chinese dump cheap steel because their factories over produced. Too bad for them. Not our problem. Giving them a pass sets a bad precedent.
Anyways . . .
In my career the only contracts I've had were 1) 2000 which was an across the board win (or so it seemed) 2) 2 contracts in bankruptcy both of which I sent emails to the MEC saying we should test whether striking in bankruptcy was legal (which American later proved was a viable concern) and then 3) 2012
2012 had nothing to do with general issues and could have called for any number of concessions and I would have voted for it just to end the merger shenanigans and get everyone on the same team. For the record I think you will find the vast majority of L-UAL pilots felt the same way.
The Delta TA is being proffered at a time when concessions are simply not necessary. I understand and have read the Delta union explanation that the percentages involved reflect Air France's use of the A380, but I don't think the union should be tasked with solving the stupidity of an Air France management decision. That's like letting the Chinese dump cheap steel because their factories over produced. Too bad for them. Not our problem. Giving them a pass sets a bad precedent.
10-16-2016 | 07:55 AM
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But a lot of those 747's (which included the rope starts) have been replaced by the 777 (and continue to be) but not necessarily as a direct result of scope changes over the years.
Bankruptcy, Joint Ventures, increased competition, operating costs, and technology have all contributed to the smaller UAL 747 fleet and its soon to be demise. And not just at UAL, but globally as well. Much like the 707/727/L1011/DC10 etc, the era of the 747 as a passenger plane are ending. It happens and life goes on.
Now only if the Guppy would die as well then life would be good.
Bankruptcy, Joint Ventures, increased competition, operating costs, and technology have all contributed to the smaller UAL 747 fleet and its soon to be demise. And not just at UAL, but globally as well. Much like the 707/727/L1011/DC10 etc, the era of the 747 as a passenger plane are ending. It happens and life goes on.
Now only if the Guppy would die as well then life would be good.
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