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11-25-2016 | 06:47 PM
#161
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Joined: Aug 2013
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The big purple gorilla in the room is this: If our profession had no mandatory retirement age we wouldn't be able to "value" the career or the career path. just continuing to fly until someone says you can't walk, talk and chew gum at the same times will do some strange things to the actuary tables for the LTD plan and will certainly confuse pilot's retirement plans and options.
For example. If I planned to retire at age 70, would I be permitted to start withdrawing my retirement fund at age 60? I would like to have some fun and "live a little" on the money I had saved for my golden years. After age 70, I don't see too many folks having a grand time, so better to spend it/use it while you can.
LTD/Retirement? I think those are two big items that the company and ALPA don't want to play games with.
I don't call it age discrimination. I call it retirement. Many careers have a cap. The US Armed forces only give you 30 years. Different careers have some sort of limit. Even the age discrimination act has a sunset of age 70. You can't discriminate against a 68 year old, but you can against a 70 year old..... Go figure. ATC controllers is 56 with a waiver to 61. Police and Fire, age 57.
For example. If I planned to retire at age 70, would I be permitted to start withdrawing my retirement fund at age 60? I would like to have some fun and "live a little" on the money I had saved for my golden years. After age 70, I don't see too many folks having a grand time, so better to spend it/use it while you can.
LTD/Retirement? I think those are two big items that the company and ALPA don't want to play games with.
I don't call it age discrimination. I call it retirement. Many careers have a cap. The US Armed forces only give you 30 years. Different careers have some sort of limit. Even the age discrimination act has a sunset of age 70. You can't discriminate against a 68 year old, but you can against a 70 year old..... Go figure. ATC controllers is 56 with a waiver to 61. Police and Fire, age 57.
11-26-2016 | 03:47 AM
#162
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Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 3,599
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From: 787
So that's forced flying (on one fleet (and a small one at that)) during winter months that will probably be short term yet a flush bid is a permanent move that affects over 1k pilots permanently. I still don't see the logic behind your reasoning. Plus the training and logistic costs to the company, which would be astronomical.
IAH is not the center of United Airlines universe and IAH pilots need to get that through their head. It is ahub that shows its potential during oil booms and central and South America.
11-26-2016 | 07:41 AM
#163
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Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 108
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Most negativity is borne out of frustration, just like your own negativity about not holding DEN. RSV rules are frustrating so we complain, can't get paid to extend as a domestic pilot so we complain, we have a crappy line so we complain........it's the pilot way hell the #1 guy isn't even happy because he has to spend an extra day in HKG because of 117 lol. Bottom line is the vast majority of us are happy far from miserable and enjoy what we do. There are some that are true oh misserable but that's the rareity.
Be glad we are talking about our hats and which airplane is better 757 vs 737, because the day we aren't is the day bad things have happened. These are our problems??? Sign me up!!!
Be glad we are talking about our hats and which airplane is better 757 vs 737, because the day we aren't is the day bad things have happened. These are our problems??? Sign me up!!!
