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jsled 12-22-2016 06:25 AM

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EWRflyr 12-22-2016 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by PikeAV8R (Post 2267223)
I've been looking through the United threads and can't seem to find the new pay rates for the remainder of the contract term based on the me too with Delta. From my reading am I to understand they haven't been finalized?


Originally Posted by PikeAV8R (Post 2267303)
Thanks for the images. Have they put out 2018 and 2019 as well or is it just a percentage increase on those numbers?

Just curious if you are asking for informational purposes assuming you are a non-United pilot? The United MEC Chairman put out a blastmail on Monday night to all United pilots with a statement plus the rates that are not in dispute by either side through 2019.

RJDio 12-22-2016 06:50 AM

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buscappy 12-22-2016 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by duvie (Post 2267500)
I think the language was pretty clear, and myself, most of the people I fly with and the responses on this forum kinda indicated people thought Feb 1 was the effective date. I guess I'm glad ALPA is trying to get me more money, but I'd hardly call this an issue of the company "respecting us." So, if they stick to the Feb 1 effective date, I see nothing to "reciprocate."

It is this kind of chest pounding that makes rank and file pilots roll their eyes at the union sometimes. Just as a disclaimer for the eager beavers on here, I'm glad the union is strong and wants to pursue our interests, I just don't feel like there is in issue here with the company not complying with the agreement

good on ya duvie for callin this baseball nut out
after all the huge gains in recent years, this guy wants to get on a forum and whine about whether a snap up starts Jan or Feb
goodness some of these guys would whine no matter what they got
i used to get stuck flying four days with these morose negative types
so glad for the newer guys now with happier attitudes

fadec 12-22-2016 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by buscappy (Post 2267613)
whine about whether a snap up starts Jan or Feb

It started January for Delta. January one year ago. One full year. Retroactive. Backpay. Drats!!! Those Delta boys have beat us AGAIN!

Fresh 12-22-2016 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by buscappy (Post 2267613)
good on ya duvie for callin this baseball nut out
after all the huge gains in recent years, this guy wants to get on a forum and whine about whether a snap up starts Jan or Feb
goodness some of these guys would whine no matter what they got
i used to get stuck flying four days with these morose negative types
so glad for the newer guys now with happier attitudes

Give a pilot a bag of gold and he'll complain how heavy it is... :D

Larry in TN 12-22-2016 10:44 AM


Originally Posted by duvie (Post 2267500)
I think the language was pretty clear, and myself, most of the people I fly with and the responses on this forum kinda indicated people thought Feb 1 was the effective date.

January 30, actually. The first day of the February bid month.

Grumble 12-22-2016 11:25 AM


Originally Posted by RJDio (Post 2267527)

Real ballers have a money gun...

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Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2267465)
I hope the company sees the light so to speak and gives the pilot group the respect and the credibility we deserve. I saw the little message on CCS from management saying they have a legitimate disagreement with ALPA on it's date of pay for the pilots.

Management was given a gift by ALPA in pursuing this extension and Delta Snap up. If management screws it up, I am sure the pilot group will reciprocate.

Good on ALPA for pursuing any and all avenues to gain and maintain compliance with our extension language.


For any date of signing increase, the effective date of the change to the hourly rates of pay contained in this Agreement shall be the first day of the second Bid Period that starts after the date of signing of the new Delta agreement. Notwithstanding Paragraph B.2.b.ii, the effective date for any required annual increase shall remain the first day of the January Bid Period.
I can understand where the ambiguity lies in the definition of second bid period. I'm glad ALPA is trying to exctract all they can, but I don't think it's worth going to war over. Keep those rounds chambered. Guys need to settle down. Focus that anger on more existential threats, like NAI. Some guys are screwing themselves into the ceiling over a few percentage points for one month, yet I doubt lifted a finger to write or call their reps over bigger problems.

Airhoss 12-22-2016 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by RJDio (Post 2267527)

Until it isn't..........These things always have a way of coming full circle.

jsled 12-22-2016 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by fadec (Post 2267629)
It started January for Delta. January one year ago. One full year. Retroactive. Backpay. Drats!!! Those Delta boys have beat us AGAIN!

How did they beat us? Our extension was early...not late. We aren't owed any backpay. We've been getting PAID for the last year while they've been missing out. Now we get PAID even more! Thanks Del-Duh.


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