Public perception
02-14-2017 | 01:35 AM
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Exactly. This is not as simple as showing up rested and sober, and I give the American public more credit than I do the thread originator for understanding that.
02-14-2017 | 02:24 AM
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Yep, I know what you mean; just like billions of people around the world attending churches, synagogs, and mosques; worshipping and believing in an invisible Almighty! Yes, I see your point, there is no cure for craziness and mass delusion.
I guess there are more crazy aviators out there that believe in angels, take into skies in 430 ton aircraft and don't believe in science.
I guess there are more crazy aviators out there that believe in angels, take into skies in 430 ton aircraft and don't believe in science.
02-14-2017 | 03:50 AM
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Yep, I know what you mean; just like billions of people around the world attending churches, synagogs, and mosques; worshipping and believing in an invisible Almighty! Yes, I see your point, there is no cure for craziness and mass delusion.
I guess there are more crazy aviators out there that believe in angels, take into skies in 430 ton aircraft and don't believe in science.
I guess there are more crazy aviators out there that believe in angels, take into skies in 430 ton aircraft and don't believe in science.
02-14-2017 | 04:08 AM
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That being said, I sincerely hope she gets psychiatric help but her time as a United pilot are over after this incident.
02-14-2017 | 07:19 AM
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Professional standards committee, EAP, and just plain normal counseling. Nothing wrong with any of those. The FAA endorses all of the above.
Seems many here live in glass houses.
02-14-2017 | 07:32 AM
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I wouldn't be so sure. That's why we have a union to protect from management overreaction and to protect your rights as an employee. Don't be so quick to presume guilt.
Professional standards committee, EAP, and just plain normal counseling. Nothing wrong with any of those. The FAA endorses all of the above.
Seems many here live in glass houses.
Professional standards committee, EAP, and just plain normal counseling. Nothing wrong with any of those. The FAA endorses all of the above.
Seems many here live in glass houses.
02-14-2017 | 07:34 AM
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For what happened to her personally I do feel very bad for her, however that's where the sympathy should end, at a personal level. On a professional level there is absolutely no excuse for what she did. Never should have clicked the FFD button and after flying for as many years as she has, and no matter what state of mind she was in, she should have known better than to show up to the airport like that and say the things she did. I have tried very hard to see this from the eyes of some of the more sympathetic posters but knowing what things like this can do to our profession, I simply see no excuse.
02-14-2017 | 07:35 AM
#38
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I agree 100%; however, one more public outburst and it will be difficult to keep our medical out of reach of shrinks evaluations. UE is already drafting new regs for medical required psych evaluation.
All I'm asking is to keep your uniform clean, act professionally, and stay the flight away from PAs and public youtube reporters.
All I'm asking is to keep your uniform clean, act professionally, and stay the flight away from PAs and public youtube reporters.
02-14-2017 | 07:39 AM
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For what happened to her personally I do feel very bad for her, however that's where the sympathy should end, at a personal level. On a professional level there is absolutely no excuse for what she did. Never should have clicked the FFD button and after flying for as many years as she has, and no matter what state of mind she was in, she should have known better than to show up to the airport like that and say the things she did. I have tried very hard to see this from the eyes of some of the more sympathetic posters but knowing what things like this can do to our profession, I simply see no excuse.
She'll either have to face disciplinary proceedings for her bad judgement, or claim mental health issues. The later would mean a long, and very likely permanent break from aviation courtesy of OKC.
My guess is UAL will probably pull out all the stops to keep her off the line.
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