UPS or FEDEX? Where do I go in 2018?
02-21-2018, 09:30 PM
#71
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Joined APC: Sep 2015
Position: MD-11 FO
Posts: 493
Originally Posted by SaltyDog
Quality of life issue is usually primary reason to bypass. Many permanent FO's until 63 + till 64 to leave with Captain A Plan.
This is exactly my plan! In my case, I came here with 16 years to retire. By year 3 or 4 I will have surpassed my yearly earning potential from my previous employer of 12 years... as an UPS First Officer! The rest is just gravy.
The MD is the best plane in the fleet btw... no other plane does crappy Milwaukee layovers one week, and then takes you around the world the next one. Plus, MD11 crews are far superior to the rest of the herd.
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02-22-2018, 05:55 AM
#72
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 2,756
Originally Posted by SaltyDog
History of bypassing suggests it will remain about same percentage. These folks don't need a new domicile bid to move to the left. They intentionally pass every bid. Quality of life issue is usually primary reason to bypass. Many permanent FO's until 63 + till 64 to leave with Captain A Plan.
02-22-2018, 06:33 AM
#73
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Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 96
Originally Posted by SaltyDog
History of bypassing suggests it will remain about same percentage. These folks don't need a new domicile bid to move to the left. They intentionally pass every bid. Quality of life issue is usually primary reason to bypass. Many permanent FO's until 63 + till 64 to leave with Captain A Plan.
An eventual SDF 74 domicile won't change quality of life issues anymore than UPS will change scheduling patterns to be more "like the old days"
If anything, opine that scheduling quality provides and continues to be the incentive to bypass if quality of life is primary.
No doubt many seats will change hands if have a new domicile bid.
An eventual SDF 74 domicile won't change quality of life issues anymore than UPS will change scheduling patterns to be more "like the old days"
If anything, opine that scheduling quality provides and continues to be the incentive to bypass if quality of life is primary.
No doubt many seats will change hands if have a new domicile bid.
02-22-2018, 11:12 AM
#75
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: Leftof longitudinal
Posts: 1,899
Originally Posted by PastV1by10
Doubt your prediction holds any water obi-1, guys that have been sitting idle for 11-12 years with no opportunity to upgrade will have a much higher take rate than historical averages you reference.
Perhaps, but we have 15-16 year FO's who passed on first opportunities in last two years who also didn't have opportunity, and most recently, even the 11-12 year folks. Not a formula, but a rolling change where a few bypass a few times and then decide for personal reasons to take the upgrade. Example: Folks commuting want an upgrade schedule they can make work to continue a commute. Maybe a spike in those taking first available, but quality of life does drive the motivation. Good news, retirements only increasing over the next several years so more opportunities regardless of choice.
Originally Posted by BrownDoubles
Far superior at what? Definitely not the best looking...
Originally Posted by busdriver12
Waiting that long to upgrade sounds like a risky proposition. So many people medical out of this profession, it's eye opening. And you often have no warning of when it's going to happen. Your retirement payments for the rest of your life should not be based upon whether or not you held a captain's seat for one minute.
02-22-2018, 01:57 PM
#76
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
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Posts: 1,734
Originally Posted by SaltyDog
Perhaps, but we have 15-16 year FO's who passed on first opportunities in last two years who also didn't have opportunity, and most recently, even the 11-12 year folks.
02-22-2018, 10:49 PM
#78
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Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
Pretty sure upgrades didn't make it to 06 people and I know it didn't make it to 07 people. No bypasseres in that group yet.
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