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Ray Kinsella 07-01-2018 08:29 AM

Western Global/21Air contracting to end
 
6/29/19.

UPS is so short of pilots and lift that they began contracting with Western Global for 6 MD11s, 21Air for 2 767s, and a Star 767 in Europe. This is a clear violation of the contract with the IPA pilots.

IPA will receive 3 extra days of vacation per IPA pilot or 15 hours of pay. While this blatant violation of the UPS/IPA contract is unnerving to state the least it is reassuring to have an end date and a substantial penalty for UPS.

Seatwarmer 07-01-2018 07:07 PM

The IPA did a good job on this. Best part is there is an end date in sight. Honestly it I think 3 days of vacation was a little light. Glad to see the IPA get us something out of this. I guess ups didn’t buy the right arbitrator.


Originally Posted by Ray Kinsella (Post 2625531)
6/29/19.

UPS is so short of pilots and lift that they began contracting with Western Global for 6 MD11s, 21Air for 2 767s, and a Star 767 in Europe. This is a clear violation of the contract with the IPA pilots.

IPA will receive 3 extra days of vacation per IPA pilot or 15 hours of pay. While this blatant violation of the UPS/IPA contract is unnerving to state the least it is reassuring to have an end date and a substantial penalty for UPS.


Night_Hawk 07-02-2018 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by Seatwarmer (Post 2625847)
The IPA did a good job on this. Best part is there is an end date in sight. Honestly it I think 3 days of vacation was a little light. Glad to see the IPA get us something out of this. I guess ups didn’t buy the right arbitrator.

It seems a little light also, but when I do the math it is a fair number to us.

Ray Kinsella 07-02-2018 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by Night_Hawk (Post 2625959)
It seems a little light also, but when I do the math it is a fair number to us.

It’s costing some of us hundreds of thousands while others it impacts little or not at all. I agree with your assessment.

Precontact 07-02-2018 12:29 PM

It costs us all in the sense of missed upgrades, etc...8 or 9 widebodies is probably a yearly system bid...

trackpilot 07-02-2018 01:37 PM

1.5 years of subcontracting and all we get are 3 BV days or 15 hrs pay ($2,600). I was definitely expecting more than that.
But hopefully this will put the fire to UPS to buy more airplanes ASAP.

FrontSeat2 07-02-2018 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by trackpilot (Post 2626341)
1.5 years of subcontracting and all we get are 3 BV days or 15 hrs pay ($2,600).

Yup, totally weak......just don't mention it on the B&G,,,,but we all know what most pilots are thinking.......

BoilerUP 07-02-2018 03:37 PM

BT said in a previous video the subcontracting flying represented 13 lines of flying.

~$12M penalty for 18 months of subcontracting is $8M/year, and when divided by 26 pilots gives a per-pilot annual average north of $307k.

Of course we’d all like more, but that checks...

We are also scheduled to take 27 more airplanes (15 -8F, 3 767BCF, 9 767F) between now and the end of 2020 to go with the six -8 we’ve already had delivered.

PastV1by10 07-02-2018 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 2626445)
BT said in a previous video the subcontracting flying represented 13 lines of flying.

~$12M penalty for 18 months of subcontracting is $8M/year, and when divided by 26 pilots gives a per-pilot annual average north of $307k.

Boiler, it actually would be a bit more than that if we take into consideration what the 7 airplanes on property gives them. International airplanes are staffed at 10 CPT's per airplane and 13 F/O's per plane. 7 planes would equate to 70+91= 161 Bodies on property, using your average of 300K you are talking north of 48 mil a year. So yes this 230 dollars a pay period is weak. UPS got off easy and now they will find another way of tightening the screws or another way of circumventing our CBA because it saves them money. Smart on their part.

BoilerUP 07-02-2018 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by PastV1by10 (Post 2626483)
Boiler, it actually would be a bit more than that if we take into consideration what the 7 airplanes on property gives them.

While I get that perspective, it is hard to argue damages for what they COULD be doing with those airframes as opposed to what they ARE doing with them.


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