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Old 12-31-2021 | 05:12 PM
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Yeah, I would imagine most are well aware of the point you are making. My point was that the airlines are basically one trick ponies. Fx & UPS are conglomerations of logistic companies/operations with multiple streams of revenue. Are you aware of why Ford has a large assembly plant across the street from worldport? When Amazon starts getting onto B2B, supply chains, etc., then I’ll start worrying,
Ummm…no. The Louisville Assembly Plant opened in 1955. Long before Worldport was even a thought. During Fords last restructuring it was slated to be closed until the EPA report came back detailing the hundreds of millions of dollars it would cost to clean up the waste. While your point of UPS being B2B supply chain efficient is taken, Fords location has absolutely nothing to do with UPS
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Old 12-31-2021 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FTv3
Yeah, I would imagine most are well aware of the point you are making. My point was that the airlines are basically one trick ponies. Fx & UPS are conglomerations of logistic companies/operations with multiple streams of revenue. Are you aware of why Ford has a large assembly plant across the street from worldport? When Amazon starts getting onto B2B, supply chains, etc., then I’ll start worrying,
Agree, definitely true no doubt. FedEx/UPS, ACMI’s, Eastern’s latest attempt to get back in the game via cargo - definitely streams of revenue but all horizontal. None create anything, sell any tangible items (besides office supplies) for the most part, predominantly point A to B logistics. Nothing vertical being sold but space, unlike Ford, Chevrolet, Amazon, Walmart, etc. Amazon started offering last minute space as it becomes available after all projected cargo has or has not arrived. All of our business fluctuates according to someone else’s momentum. May the economy keep on chugging.

B2B is already offered by Amazon. It’s how will they will corner the market, not my specialty! They already have their foot in the door on healthcare.

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Old 12-31-2021 | 07:02 PM
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Ummm…no. The Louisville Assembly Plant opened in 1955. Long before Worldport was even a thought. During Fords last restructuring it was slated to be closed until the EPA report came back detailing the hundreds of millions of dollars it would cost to clean up the waste. While your point of UPS being B2B supply chain efficient is taken, Fords location has absolutely nothing to do with UPS
Except it does according to UPS specifically in terms of taking advantage of just in time inventory. There are hundreds of similar examples - main point being UPS isn’t an online retail product delivery service.
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Old 12-31-2021 | 07:09 PM
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Additional side note: You do know that Amazon had no business in the air…we all said it, Then 2016 happened and their in the Air quite a bit in 5 years and CVG is getting larger than than others if you take a look. 1 building/facility in Rockford, stomping grounds of Brown for a long time. Amazon has additional land there and 2 more buildings/facilities will be going up. Our ACMI just added 2 bases recently, kind of scary really - a dang book store. I will admit to having a “Members Only” jacket so since then, nothing has grown like that “book store.”

When your neighbor undercuts your service and it is just as effective, efficient, accessible if not better (not saying they are) it’s only a matter of time. Or they do what they’ve always done, out-price (lower) you, even take losses then recover after you disappear.

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Old 12-31-2021 | 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by C17B74
Additional side note: You do know that Amazon had no business in the air…we all said it, Then 2016 happened and their in the Air quite a bit in 5 years and CVG is getting larger than than others if you take a look. 1 building/facility in Rockford, stomping grounds of Brown for a long time. Amazon has additional land there and 2 more buildings/facilities will be going up. Our ACMI just added 2 bases recently, kind of scary really - a dang book store. I will admit to having a “Members Only” jacket so since then, nothing has grown like that “book store.”

When your neighbor undercuts your service and it is just as effective, efficient, accessible if not better (not saying they are) it’s only a matter of time. Or they do what they’ve always done, out-price (lower) you, even take losses then recover after you disappear.
Friendly advice - if you’re trying to persuade someone to accept your POV, it helps to limit the number of mistakes in spelling, grammar, and syntax. It also helps to provide support for your argument. For instance, your post says: Amazon is a newer entrant in the market who is expanding; therefore, they will take over the market and put their competitors out of business.

Because…?!? Just curious (as I type this inside a Barnes&Noble).

Additional side note: that was a rhetorical question.
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Old 12-31-2021 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by C17B74
Agree, definitely true no doubt. FedEx/UPS, ACMI’s, Eastern’s latest attempt to get back in the game via cargo - definitely streams of revenue but all horizontal. None create anything, sell any tangible items (besides office supplies) for the most part, predominantly point A to B logistics. Nothing vertical being sold but space, unlike Ford, Chevrolet, Amazon, Walmart, etc. Amazon started offering last minute space as it becomes available after all projected cargo has or has not arrived. All of our business fluctuates according to someone else’s momentum. May the economy keep on chugging.

B2B is already offered by Amazon. It’s how will they will corner the market, not my specialty! They already have their foot in the door on healthcare.
I’m pretty sure you don’t have a good understanding of what ups & Fx do.
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Old 12-31-2021 | 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FTv3
Friendly advice - if you’re trying to persuade someone to accept your POV, it helps to limit the number of mistakes in spelling, grammar, and syntax. It also helps to provide support for your argument. For instance, your post says: Amazon is a newer entrant in the market who is expanding; therefore, they will take over the market and put their competitors out of business.

Because…?!? Just curious (as I type this inside a Barnes&Noble).

Additional side note: that was a rhetorical question.
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Fair enough as I am not an English major, definitely where your focus is on and you have your POV (clever, I like it) as everyone does. Changing my narrative to meet yours and creating: “your post says: Amazon is a newer entrant in the market who is expanding; therefore, they will take over the market and put their competitors out of business.” That is an assumption or takeaway you conjured up but most definitely my mistake on how you arrived there of course. You didn’t even cut and paste what I actually stated like a media outlet. My statement was referencing the speed at which their (Amazon) growth has taken place and not just in one area which is faster than most if not all. Quite impressive and can you name a faster growing player? I would be glad to be mistaken and appreciative if there were another entity. Are they “Too Big to Fail” probably not but they are relentless in their efforts as it’s a constant forging ahead on all fronts. Once again to be clear, it’s the speed at which they have expanded and not only in one market. Maybe this whole conversation is debunked by having enough business to go around. Amazon hasn’t won in all areas by any means, but unions haven’t won on their turf either. Interesting times.

I like Barnes & Noble very much, but it’s not like they are popping up everywhere.
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Old 12-31-2021 | 11:03 PM
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I’m pretty sure you don’t have a good understanding of what ups & Fx do.
Probably not - I just sit up front while we’re on both of those ramps every year for over a decade since I have been at my outfit. I live a sheltered life just looking thru your catering. Will not claim to know any more than you of course. Just bringing to our attention a lot of endeavors that are bleeding into the logistics system and might become somewhat substantial or maybe not. Nothing you didn’t know deep down as you see it first hand as we all do. Since when does FedEx bring outside assistance for a period longer than peak. Just spitballing = when they have enough resources to cover the requirements they will kill it. I really don’t know. Spell check, etc away my friend. Do appreciate the advice as it was not meant to confuse you as I obviously did.
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https://cleantechnica-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/cleantechnica.com/2021/09/28/ford-ski-to-invest-11-4-billion-in-new-assembly-plant-3-battery-factories/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw %3D%3D#aoh=16410509489889&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fw ww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=http s%3A%2F%2Fcleantechnica.com%2F2021%2F09%2F28%2Ffor d-ski-to-invest-11-4-billion-in-new-assembly-plant-3-battery-factories%2F
There's a reason why its magically split between Tennessee and Kentucky and that no coincidence just saying.. Logestics is far more than carrying lipstick and cashews to people's door with bunch a contractor.
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Old 01-01-2022 | 10:59 AM
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https://cleantechnica-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/cleantechnica.com/2021/09/28/ford-ski-to-invest-11-4-billion-in-new-assembly-plant-3-battery-factories/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw %3D%3D#aoh=16410509489889&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fw ww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=http s%3A%2F%2Fcleantechnica.com%2F2021%2F09%2F28%2Ffor d-ski-to-invest-11-4-billion-in-new-assembly-plant-3-battery-factories%2F
There's a reason why its magically split between Tennessee and Kentucky and that no coincidence just saying.. Logestics is far more than carrying lipstick and cashews to people's door with bunch a contractor.
No argument there as every company producing a product must have logistics. Just in time logistics by grocery stores isn’t new nor car parts as manufacturing has moved to automation/robotics which bleeds into many more areas of cost cutting measures. Nothing is created intentionally to cost more (when it happens it eventually withers away). Having been in the military for nearly a quarter of a century and reviewing history has taught me logistics is the key to success regarding force projection and it’s the same with business. (Apologize for the catch phrases) Moving whatever you need/want/sell from point A to B is a necessity bottom line, the more efficient and cheaper the better no matter what it is. Building batteries or anything within the U.S. especially near Purple or Brown has strategic value/no brainer as Korea will be providing batteries for many years to our car manufacturers as we fly them in on contracts, nothing new. When these facilities are up and running the international outreach in certain areas will dwindle. Home grown is good for the country when equitable. Watched the military transition many moons ago from our own movement capabilities to the civilian sector and worked the AMC/USTRANSCOM (Military Logistics HQ) coordination efforts with the civilian sector. Mind numbing but effective and necessary aside from just being a budgetary requirement. Very intricate circus of events on an enormous scale and interesting how cashews and lipstick were dumbed down to gray van contractors (A significant change, baby steps perhaps). Just keeping our eyes open and hopefully not asleep at the wheel (I guess that might happen as well eventually). Mongo just pawn in game of life - enjoy what I do and the people I work with.
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