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01-18-2020, 04:06 PM

#11

scth

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Joined APC: Feb 2019

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Originally Posted by Flybynight101

I sincerely hope you run for an EB position when the time comes to replace our current EB. I was hired shortly after you but always appreciated your no BS, fact driven posts.

Thank you...”Captain Paul”

word......

01-18-2020, 04:27 PM

#12

Westsideflyer

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Originally Posted by BoilerUP

There are currently 65 pilots on the seniority list under the age of 35, of which 36 are under the age of 34.

thanks so much for this info much appreciated!!!

01-19-2020, 12:47 AM

#13

DSflyer05

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Position: Gulfstream 4SP & 5

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Great information Boiler. Thank you for sharing.

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01-19-2020, 06:13 AM

#14

GT4JB96

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I honestly feel greedy asking for more info after all the great stuff Boiler provided..
But i am curious what seniority numbers are the most junior capts per base on the most recent Jan bid.
(percentage of the 2940 on the seniority list)

ie; 2000 out of 2940 would be 68% etc......

thanks again for all the great info!!

01-19-2020, 06:25 AM

#15

BoilerUP

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Junior CA award in ONT is 71.3% seniority following Jan newhires and retirements; junior CA award in SDF (Bus) is 70.6%.

01-19-2020, 11:06 AM

#16

Cruz5350

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Thanks for the post boiler, gives me a lot of hope that I can still have decent timing even if it takes a couple more years to get hired provided I’m that lucky.

01-20-2020, 07:16 AM

#17

Westsideflyer

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Originally Posted by BoilerUP

Junior CA award in ONT is 71.3% seniority following Jan newhires and retirements; junior CA award in SDF (Bus) is 70.6%.

Wow that’s great, any idea what the target is as far as total pilots overall? I know there is growth as well as retirements so is the target around 3200 +\-?

01-20-2020, 08:30 AM

#18

C2078

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I would say hiring is going to be pretty much nonstop for the years to come. While growth aircraft stop in 2022, the following year (really 2024) and beyond retirements start in large numbers, not counting early retirements which have been equal to or higher than mandatory. Unless they get ahead of the curve NOW, I don’t see how they will be able to keep up in 2-3 years. Others can chime in, but I don’t think they have the capacity to train more than 275-300 a year. So we may break 3,000 this year, but don’t think it will go much higher than that.

150-200 per year in a small pilot group like this is a big deal.

01-20-2020, 08:49 AM

#19

Madella0124

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I agree that it seems they can barely keep up with hiring. If I’m correct, we have 24 growth aircraft still to come. We are short staffed now at about 3,000 pilots. Seems to me like 3,500 is the magic number once those 24 aircraft are on property.

01-20-2020, 09:11 AM

#20

tnkrdrvr

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Joined APC: Jan 2018

Posts: 1,683

Quote:

Originally Posted by Westsideflyer

Wow that’s great, any idea what the target is as far as total pilots overall? I know there is growth as well as retirements so is the target around 3200 +\-?

The number of pilots we will wind up with will be around 3,200. At least, that seems to be what most folks I’ve talked to think. Keep in mind the company plays its cards close to the vest, so even many managers don’t really know. UPS likes to run lean on manning and, as has been said, our training department currently can only handle 300 new hires per year at most. Throw in a decent number of guys switching fleets as the new 74 SDF domicile stands up and that could be reduced more. We will likely continue to struggle to grow by 50-100 bodies per year despite hiring more than twice that. Fortunately, your seniority will be increasing rapidly. Fleet growth and guys retiring well before 65 have put the company behind the 8 ball.