Rumors are definitely flying. While I don’t doubt there will be displacements off the MD on the next bid, I can’t see us shrinking back down to 28-2900 pilots. We may shrink as low as 3200 (think no hiring for another 18 months) if the slowdown in business continues, but I’m guessing that corporate still would like to grow into all of the jets we have coming over the next couple years. Our illustrious CEO would no doubt prefer to close out her five year tenure on a high note.

Personally I think the tables in our industry (flying) will continue to turn with eye popping speed. Enjoy the ride

I can’t see a scenario where we grow anytime soon. Those 76s are most likely going to be MD replacements. As far as Carol wanting to grow before she leaves don’t forget her motto of better not bigger. She seems perfectly content to shrink the company. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Nope, UPS now offering early retirement and we are below, well below pre covid volume. Since this is the hiring thread, I would say we are now in a hiring freeze era now like 2008-2014. Hope is doesn’t last that long, but it’s not resuming anytime soon. Let’s hope UPS doesn’t go down the 2010 road again.

Especially since they want 167 pilots gone by November....

Glad we are not negotiating a contract right now

Well said. The EB look like freaking wizards right now.

Saw an ad stating UPS will be in Anchorage for pilot conference and “pilot recruiting”. I’m guessing that’s fake news or just a recycled ad?

Please share it here, we’d love to see it!

Looks like UPS is sponsoring this conference. Not sure what it means as far as recruiting goes.

ISA+21 (Anchorage) Conference Schedule | ISA+21: International Society of Women Airline Pilots

Thanks for the honest take. It's disappointing, but you can't change what the company is doing.

Do you think the early retirements offset the overstaff or are there still rumors of further measures being taken within the company?

No one knows for sure. Hopefully they found their number (167) that they are over staffed by and they will have enough takers to retire early. Nobody knows anything concrete beyond that….. except UPS….. maybe.

2024 hiring Info
 

It's that time of year to start next year's hiring (or lack of) thread. Looking for up to date info:

- remaining a/c deliveries

- known a/c retirements

- any other pertinent info. Trying to get all good info on post #1

TIA

Boilerup probably has the relevant info at his fingertips. I know that we are supposed to be taking delivery of some new production 767s and retire some (1-7?) MDs. Latest rumors about hiring I’ve heard are another round of buyouts are coming and (completely contradictory) we will be hiring by summer.:confused:

It may not be completely contradictory. It's not obvious to me how the math would work, but I suppose it's possible that getting rid of a bunch of five-week-OCVing, payscale-topping dinos fits in to their plans despite the greater initial cost.

I think the number of new 767s next year is 6. Don't hold me to that. I wouldn't pay much attention to buyout rumors. Especially considering it was not even known to SDF leadership until it was a done deal. Leadership has been quoted as saying no hiring until, at least, 2025. We won't even have a good sense of where block hours will be until the next bid package is published. After all, it's block hours that drive manning, not the number of brown tails. I would expect a realignment bid early next year, to rebalance the fleets.

Really no need to rebalance with a realignment bid. They just did that with the VTP. They cut exactly where they needed to trim. Hopefully if they need to cut more they will do it in the same manner.

https://investors.ups.com/quarterly-...ancial-results

"Aircraft Fleet" is the very last sheet on each Quarterly Financial Statement, and is similar (if not as comprehensive) as FDX's quarterly Stat Book.

Summer of 2025? I don’t see anyway we hire anytime soon unless attrition starts really picking up. Speaking of attrition anyone know how many we have lost over the last couple of months?

From 3Jan23 to 1Nov23 seniority lists: 107 fewer pilots on seniority list.

Using the 10Nov23 bid package senoirity list update, which reflects post-VTP: 295 fewer pilots on seniority list.

Just in time for peak!

I wonder how "peak" the peak will be this season

Especially since we had the option to sit this one out...at least the FOs did.

Heard that peak volume is projected lower than last year. How much lower and the effect of fewer pilots will not be know until early next year. I guess if JA calls go out every day, we may be a little short.

Don’t work for brown but jumpseated the other day and guys in crew room talking about hiring not till 2025.
take that for whatever it’s worth 🤷🏼‍♂️

The folks in the airline's front office don't have a clue as to when we will start hiring again, much less the guys in the crew room. I think their (Atlanta's) hope was to front-load all the retirements so they could have some manning stability while they see how all this plays out. I hear 2025 thrown around a lot, but I think it is just an easy way of expressing the opinion that we won't be hiring for a while. I got a JA call for the first time in a long time, so who knows, things could be turning around!