FTv3

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Welcome to the 2023 Hiring thread!

Like last year, noting concrete to report unfortunately.


What we know:

Class slots have been offered out to March and possibly April so far.

31 Mandatory Retirements in 2023 (actual is always higher)

28 767’s arrive between 2023-26

Possible that 2 x 747 options are exercised.

Uncertainties:

MD phase out, no replacement (beyond current 76 increases).

MD replacement - A350

Corporate plans for 2023 - this is highlighted by recent system bid which only offered less than 30 Captain openings on 767. Highly speculated this bid will provide the vacancies for Dec/JAN new hire classes.

Once (and IF) a bigger system bid opens after peak, say early January’ish, we will have a better picture of

UPS’s 2023 hiring goals.

As Always, please keep posts here on point. If you want to argue, start a different thread. This thread is for people interested in getting hired at UPS and it’s a big help if they don’t have to scroll past hundreds of useless posts.

Thx all and good luck!

Precontact

The MD11 replacement on international routes might not be the A350 so I would amend that part. Could range from nothing to more 747s, 777s, A350s, A330s or more 767s.

BoilerUP

The A350F isn't scheduled for entry into service until 2025, the 777-8F until 2027. Don't think either will play a factor into 2023 hiring here or anywhere else.

tnkrdrvr

No airframe not already on property will factor into 2023 hiring, since it would take a couple years to stand up everything needed for a new to us fleet. It might impact bidding, since the potential of seat locks being released early might encourage some speculative bidding. My crystal ball says ~300 new hires this year. Good luck to everyone!

FTv3

My best guesstimate is around 200:

7x767 @ 6 crewmembers per plane* = 42
2 747s = 14
31 mandatory retirements
—————-
87 bare min

add:
30 extra retirements
50-75 catchup hiring
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*someone posted average #crewmembers/plane, I don’t remember what the actual numbers are.

Precontact

Should be higher than that, probably around 6-7 crews per plane.

C2078

6-7 crews (12-14 pilots) for the 76, slightly higher for the 74 is correct. Two scenarios:

1) No displacements…
7 767 x 12 pilots/plane = 84
Mandatory + early = 80
Catch up = 50
TOTAL just over 200

2) 4-5 MD displacement
Same but reduce by about 70-80
So 120-130 total

So between 12 and 18 a month for the year is my best guess, maybe up to 20. Add a few if we do finalize the purchase of 2 -8’s from Qatar. I heavily doubt we see more than this. This is why we can be so selective vs United hiring 300-400 a month (for example), and why UPS labor will never admit they have a talent acquisition problem and also why they treat applicants the way they do.

Some head scratching people are getting hired at the Legacies, not so here.

flyguy23

So 7 new airframes = 84, but a loss of 4 or 5 = 70 to 80? That’s some fuzzy math before considering the captain side is short and there are still retirements on the MD. 3 on the table as we speak last I looked. You definitely seem to be skewing things as far to the negative side as you can.

BoilerUP

757/767 is currently staffed about 10.3 pilots/airframe...MD11 is about 9.3 pilots/airframe.

Eight 767s are slated to enter service in 2023 - seven factory new jets and the recently acquired pax aircraft which gets converted next year.

C2078

Well, maybe I wasn’t clear. If they do displace, it will be a wash, those guys will go to new 76’s, so no new hires required, hence 70-80 less new hires. Not skewing anything, simple math, it’s not rocket science.