UPS 2023 Hiring
 

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Welcome to the 2023 Hiring thread!

Like last year, noting concrete to report unfortunately.


What we know:

Class slots have been offered out to March and possibly April so far.

31 Mandatory Retirements in 2023 (actual is always higher)

28 767’s arrive between 2023-26

Possible that 2 x 747 options are exercised.

Uncertainties:

MD phase out, no replacement (beyond current 76 increases).

MD replacement - A350

Corporate plans for 2023 - this is highlighted by recent system bid which only offered less than 30 Captain openings on 767. Highly speculated this bid will provide the vacancies for Dec/JAN new hire classes.

Once (and IF) a bigger system bid opens after peak, say early January’ish, we will have a better picture of

UPS’s 2023 hiring goals.

As Always, please keep posts here on point. If you want to argue, start a different thread. This thread is for people interested in getting hired at UPS and it’s a big help if they don’t have to scroll past hundreds of useless posts.

Thx all and good luck!

The MD11 replacement on international routes might not be the A350 so I would amend that part. Could range from nothing to more 747s, 777s, A350s, A330s or more 767s.

The A350F isn't scheduled for entry into service until 2025, the 777-8F until 2027. Don't think either will play a factor into 2023 hiring here or anywhere else.

No airframe not already on property will factor into 2023 hiring, since it would take a couple years to stand up everything needed for a new to us fleet. It might impact bidding, since the potential of seat locks being released early might encourage some speculative bidding. My crystal ball says ~300 new hires this year. Good luck to everyone!

My best guesstimate is around 200:

7x767 @ 6 crewmembers per plane* = 42
2 747s = 14
31 mandatory retirements
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87 bare min

add:
30 extra retirements
50-75 catchup hiring
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*someone posted average #crewmembers/plane, I don’t remember what the actual numbers are.

Should be higher than that, probably around 6-7 crews per plane.

6-7 crews (12-14 pilots) for the 76, slightly higher for the 74 is correct. Two scenarios:

1) No displacements…
7 767 x 12 pilots/plane = 84
Mandatory + early = 80
Catch up = 50
TOTAL just over 200

2) 4-5 MD displacement
Same but reduce by about 70-80
So 120-130 total

So between 12 and 18 a month for the year is my best guess, maybe up to 20. Add a few if we do finalize the purchase of 2 -8’s from Qatar. I heavily doubt we see more than this. This is why we can be so selective vs United hiring 300-400 a month (for example), and why UPS labor will never admit they have a talent acquisition problem and also why they treat applicants the way they do.

Some head scratching people are getting hired at the Legacies, not so here.

So 7 new airframes = 84, but a loss of 4 or 5 = 70 to 80? That’s some fuzzy math before considering the captain side is short and there are still retirements on the MD. 3 on the table as we speak last I looked. You definitely seem to be skewing things as far to the negative side as you can.

757/767 is currently staffed about 10.3 pilots/airframe...MD11 is about 9.3 pilots/airframe.

Eight 767s are slated to enter service in 2023 - seven factory new jets and the recently acquired pax aircraft which gets converted next year.

Well, maybe I wasn’t clear. If they do displace, it will be a wash, those guys will go to new 76’s, so no new hires required, hence 70-80 less new hires. Not skewing anything, simple math, it’s not rocket science.