Mandatory Retirements as of Nov 22

Year #
2023 = 31
24 = 72
25 = 81
26 = 123
27 = 132
28 = 187
29 = 179
2030 = 168
31 = 161
32 = 157
33 = 160
2034 = 129

1590 Mandatory gone by beginning of 2035 - that’s half the current pilot group.

I don’t know about you, but half the pilot group in 12-13 years is not very impressive. And even worse we’re gonna have to wait until 2026 to see any real movement. For the average guy getting hired mid 40’s, not so impressive. For the yuppies, Z, late 20’s/early 30’s much better.

Oh, my math could be wrong, but 1,590 out of 3,480 or so is not 50%, just saying.

We can agree on one thing. You look at everything from a ray of sunshine, I look at things more like UPS, more gray clouds, challenges. IMO it is a more realistic way of looking at things. Hope is not a strategy in this industry unfortunately.

C2078, provide data or useful insights. We are trying to keep crap like off this thread so potential new hires don’t have to waste their time reading through useless posts.

Re: Sim center in SDF

https://www.wlky.com/amp/article/ups...tucky/41958783

There he goes again. C2078 with all the doom and gloom. Every single post.

For prospective UPS pilots:

• UPS has grown by 53 airframes and over 900 pilots since 1Jan17...22% in airframes and 35% in pilots.
• Eight additional 767s will enter service as Browntails in 2023, seven factory new aircraft and a recently acquired passenger aircraft that needs conversion.
• Speculation is some yet-to-be-announced number of MD11s will be idled/parked in 2023. Exactly half of the current MD fleet, which grew by five airframes in the last two years, has Pratt engines with time-limited components that cost a LOT to overhaul.
• Q2 and Q3'22 financial statements show two 747-8 "on option", management pilots are telling people these are factory freighters currently in operation elsewhere.
• Actual retirements have well exceeded mandatory figures over the last several years, pulling forward and flattening the mandatory retirement curve.
• There were 35 mandatory retirements in 2022; the "plug" on 1Jan22 has moved up 110 numbers through the first ten months of the year.
• 1994 hires hit 30 years of service in 2023, and 30 years of service maxes out the defined benefit.
• Nearly 40% of the existing pilot group mandatory retires in the next decade.

I think he is providing a useful point. A lot of people like to point out that losing half the pilot group in ten years is something to get excited about. This isn’t Delta and our new hires are significantly older than the ones at the pax carriers. Sure 1590 pilots will be gone in ten years but the average new hire will be more than half way through his/her tenure here at UPS at that point.

There are sexier retirement numbers elsewhere at airlines with day time flying, without credit caps, and
better schedule flexibility.

I posted those numbers as a quick reference for those interested in coming here. I stopped at an arbitrary number and included the “about half the list,” thing simply to provide a little context for the numbers. Inferences made by certain posters are simply that.

If the purpose of this thread is truly to be informative to prospective new hire pilots then you have to give the bad along with the good. You’re not professional recruiters working on the hiring team who are supposed to hide the bad stuff. There are a lot of great things about being a pilot for UPS. However, there are things that are also not so great when you compare us against the legacy carriers. We have people no-showing new hire classes for a reason. Just make sure that the prospective candidates know EVERYTHING about working here and not only the positive things that you want to brag about just to make yourself feel better about your career; which every pilot LOVES to do…

^^^^^This is on point^^^^^ So true no matter where you are. Knowing the good and bad from everyone’s perspective is great data mining. Outsiders have their own priorities not ours and need to make the most educated decision for themselves and their families, etc. Really no excuse this day and age for choosing very poorly. Granted you don’t know what you don’t about yourself until subject to the lifestyle you’ve chosen. Especially be aware of the last sentence from MidwestMaster!