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Originally Posted by Recliner
(Post 3637158)
So, what is the current average 5X retirement age at?
If it starts to dip below established averages consistently...one should ask....why? Long story short, a lot of our guys bail at a younger age because they financially can. However, recent management shenanigans are continuing to cause senior guys to bail as well. |
I wouldn’t leave any legacy or FedEx to come here if I had more than a year or 2 seniority there. And I’m not leaving here to go anywhere else. Seniority is key! Yes there are marginal differences between the different carriers, but I truly believe that anywhere you go, you can find the niche flying that fits your lifestyle (with a little seniority of course).
Stay put, find your niche, and live happily ever after! |
Originally Posted by robxjt27
(Post 3637111)
I will preface this by saying that back in 2017 I had the choice between FedEx and UPS. I chose UPS. I didn’t have all the knowledge of today back then so the decision was more of a guess. But looking back on it, I am 💯 sure that I chose the best path. There are a number of people at UPS that just think Fedex is the best place to be and can do no wrong. In my opinion, there viewpoint is outdated and if they did more research they would understand that it’s no longer the FedEx on the early 2000’s.
I can’t speak to what path is best for you but for the things that you have already mentioned, it seems like you know what it might be. FedEx will always be a “good” company to work for but it’s not what it used to be. I think the main difference between us and you is that we’ve been trending up for quite a few years and you’ve been trending down for the same time period. I would say the biggest deal breaker is ALPA vs. IPA. The IPA is the best thing to ever happen to UPS. The gavel corrupts and ALPA has always been a prime example of that. It doesn’t matter how many contracts either of us get in the future, but I would be willing to bet over my career that the IPA will alway come up on top vs. the ALPA MEC at FedEx. Good luck and I hope it works out for you whichever way you go. But the blanket statement of saying “no way you should leave FedEx” days are over. sent you a PM if you don’t mind. |
My personal opinion is that I believe FedEx is very vulnerable in their scope and this might hurt your company in the future. Scope is the biggest job protector, that a union might have some control over.
UPS scope beats FedEx’s scope hands down. I believe that FedEx will shed a lot of future international flying to subcontractors and this in turn will lead to job losses. Just my 2 pennies. |
Originally Posted by 2manybogeys
(Post 3637401)
My personal opinion is that I believe FedEx is very vulnerable in their scope and this might hurt your company in the future. Scope is the biggest job protector, that a union might have some control over.
UPS scope beats FedEx’s scope hands down. I believe that FedEx will shed a lot of future international flying to subcontractors and this in turn will lead to job losses. Just my 2 pennies. I really hope everyone over there is doing their job professionally and only their job. |
Originally Posted by 2manybogeys
(Post 3637401)
My personal opinion is that I believe FedEx is very vulnerable in their scope and this might hurt your company in the future. Scope is the biggest job protector, that a union might have some control over.
UPS scope beats FedEx’s scope hands down. I believe that FedEx will shed a lot of future international flying to subcontractors and this in turn will lead to job losses. Just my 2 pennies. Our CEO has said publicly that he wants to subcontract more. |
Originally Posted by Maineseaplane
(Post 3637433)
With CGN closing, it created a lot of scope discussions and realizations that it isn’t that great… People have said let’s copy and paste what UPS has for international scope.
Our CEO has said publicly that he wants to subcontract more. |
You totally missed the wave at UPS, we will not be hiring in significant numbers anytime soon. To put it in perspective, here is some recent news, heard from multiple sources, not one or two:
1) PHL and DFW day sorts being shut down for now, SDF day sort being reduced, volume being shifted to Next Day Air. 2) Our volume is down below Pre Covid levels. 3) The nasty F word being thrown around. 4) RDG and VLOA will be expanded until peak, hopefully to quash any more rumors of the nasty F word. 5) 90%+ of our postal volume will be gone soon. The gateways that had morning flights to SDF, making it easier to commute, will most likely be gone. 6) Our Asia volume has fallen off a cliff. Hopefully volume returns soon, TBD. |
Sure seems like there's an awful lot of open time out there for any f-bombs to be thrown around.
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Originally Posted by CardboardCutout
(Post 3638070)
Sure seems like there's an awful lot of open time out there for any f-bombs to be thrown around.
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