If we can get sit pay like delta in our next contract, those day lines will go crazy senior. Or the sits will miraculously shorten.

 

How long is a typical duty day for the daytime flying with current schedules on domestic trips?

 

10-12+ hrs

 

Our domestic network, and specifically 2DA sorts, don't support passenger airline-type short sits.

 

They do if we hired more pilots…

 

You are up to something here.....want me to sit in RFD with no good food, a proper gym and just waste away my life? FUPM.

 

I tried to pull up my schedule via the trip board to give you an accurate number from my last few trips. Of course there’s probably some IT maintenance going on but FTV is right. 11-12 hours is the norm seems like. Sometimes we’ll still get one leg early AM flights from the west coast (MHR,LAX,SAN,etc) into SDF and be done but those days are far and few between now.

I ran into a crew a few weeks ago in PBI leaving the hotel. At 530am they were heading to the airport to fly PBI-MCO-DFW-MCO. It was 530ish so I’d imagine the showtime was 6am ish and they didn’t get to MCO to finish until around 5pm. Now is that all the time, no but that’s a lot of our day time flying.

Boiler is right like it or not, the way our sort is set up plays a part in how the schedules are built but it’s a **** poor excuse IMO (not coming at you Boiler). At some point it seems like we’re paying the price for how the company wants to run the sort vs. using more pilots. Somebody mentioned sit pay, a great idea but the reality is at least for me personally it’s a QOL hit and a drag honestly. After flying OMA-RFD and sitting for 5.5/6 hours to fly to LGB/BFI/ONT gets old fast. The stark reality is money is what it’ll come to when the TA dust settles. If the dollar figure for sit pay or whatever is cheaper than increasing the number of pilots to help with QOL guess what wins.

I’m happy we’ve gotten more flying from the postal contract but the “doing more with less” has a limit. I just hope that we’re all being smart and knowing when to call it quits. Just like “there’s no weather at night” there’s fatigue during the day.

 

if we get the sit pay, every day would be worth more.

Therefore, work less days per month. At least in theory.

our schedules suck big time.

 

I’d catch the Holy Ghost and do a praise dance through the ASC for this.

 

Only if the sit pay counts towards trip guarantee instead of being on top of it.

117 rules would fix a lot of the long duty days, and there is the data to prove it would increase safety.