Negotiations
 

Management here sucks, truly dishonest! With all the shenanigans they have been pulling lately guys are still doing them favors, I just don’t get it.

They recently asked us to waive our duty day by 10 minutes, captain replied sorry can’t do it due to the MD-11 situation. Best reply I’ve heard to date.

You seem to be stating two different things here. Contracted flying is not something that happens quickly. To subcontract a 767/747, whatever, takes a little time and is very expensive at the moment. Think medium to long term solution to a problem for contractors. This takes a little planning and coordination. Picking up OT and J/A's is more a short term and emergency solution. This is where our pilots step in.

It not specific to OT/JA's. It's waiving the contract as an example. It is amazing how unscrupulous schedulers are with this. Almost every time I get a scheduling advisement there is a contract violation in there somewhere. Everyone gets electronic advisements these days. Once you acknowledge you are waiving the contract. Most people do this completely unaware. I never acknowledge those. I always call and ask if the advisement is contractual. You would be amazed at what our CS'ers see when they put stuff on our lines. Any violation comes up in RED with the "new" program. Of course what happens when they tell me where the violation is, I refuse as its non contractual. A supervisor comes on and tells me to "fly and grieve", which unfortunately is the stance the union takes. So that is what happens. I end up flying anyway, but a grievance is filed on the contract violation. Is this a pain on my part? Yes. I only hope it "helps" us put an end to much of the nonsense that is happening to our schedules these days.

Don't get me started about payroll.

My point is there is VERY little that can be done by the membership to help us get a new contract. OT/JA's, contract compliance. Grievance's. ER and ASAP's. Fly the contract. Don't fly fatigued. Really about it. IF you want to fly OT or JA's it is totally fine. It's contractual, but complaining about not getting a contract and the schedules, then doing the very thing that prevents the group from getting a contract is all I tried to point out.

That is not accurate.

Would love to see a Friday fact on this. I’ve heard the opposite from some very trusted sources. Like many things these days, it probably depends on how UPS is interpreting our CBA on any given day. Given the fact that they repeatedly wipe their backsides with it, I’m inclined to err on the side of caution.

While I agree that it is not supposed to work this way, I have started to habitually call scheduling so I can ask the question. If you are in a rush to sign in for a trip and there is a non-contractual scheduling advisory you have to acknowledge and don’t have time to actually read until after you get to your layover, do you think scheduling is just going to roll over and say that’s okay? If they opted to stiff you for your premiums on changes to a trip more than 36 hours out you are now stuck flying and grieving. If you called and asked (instead of acknowledging the advisement) you would have the option to decline the trip. The current shenanigans have basically made electronic acknowledgment of advisements, inadvisable.

No idea what fleet/seat you are on but the international side it is probably north of 90% of the advisements you receive. Doesnt matter to me. I don't ever answer on a layover or on days off unless it's in my contractual contact period.

As far as contractual, I find far more violations that not in these advisements.

The contactable period means they can contact you. It does not mean you are obligated to have your phone on you.

Not picking up OT and JA’s does cause disruptions, extra work, and service failures. Please don’t be delusional about this to justify your greed.dot Period……when the system starts to bog down and service failures occur, Atlanta pays attention…

And how somebody can get the impression from Bob’s video, that it’s OK to keep feeding at the trough is amazingly tone-deaf. UPS is slow rolling negotiations, claiming “ we’re different” maxing out our schedules, exploiting the accident to subcontract more, denying premiums, and building horrible lines, but “It’s OK to lean forward and help them out, because He never said Not to” ???.?.

Exactly......................

it’s not tone deaf. It is exactly what he said in the previous video and didn’t address it in the latest video.

BT said there was no “whisper” campaign and the EB would let everyone know when it was time. He hasn’t said it’s time even while lamenting the pace of negotiations.

You can’t say trust and follow the EB then ignore his statement. If it would not have been addressed, sure, but BT directly addressed it. I don’t agree with it, but you are a hypocrite if you say follow the EB then blast those who fly extra.