So let me get this straight, Bob spends 30 minutes talking about how UPS is slow rolling contract talks, proud to “be different” and sub-contracting issues. Add to that Bob’s obvious frustrated attitude, but since he didn’t say don’t pick up open time, or even whisper it, you take that as a signal to keep feeding at the trough?

He has made it known that he will very clearly tell us when something is needed. He has not done so yet. Stopping open time and JA is a useful tool that will be used strategically by the EB. I guess they aren't there yet and im not going to judge because I dont see everything they see.

That said, I wouldn't work one extra second for this place. They dont deserve my time or yours. Thats just me though.

Hopefully everyone listens when the EB does give that directive.

Every day at UPS is worse than the previous day; it’s just like Office Space. I’m almost 50, almost 4 years here with a military retirement and VA disability. Since I’m too old to switch now, my plan is to updrage first available, get my captain retirement, then resign and go fly for someone else until age 65. I cannot stress to anyone enough how much this place sucks. I came here because of the retirement and I thought that the union had our backs. I have quickly learned that there is no reason to stay.

Look CA.i don’t agree with picking up OT/JAs either. My gripe is those who complain about the EB, get told to follow, chess not checkers, etc.

BT said the EB would make it perfectly clear when action was needed. He hasn’t.

You can’t have it both ways.

Edit: if you look at saying no OT/JA right now, that would add zero pressure to the company because they have the ability to sub out flying with the MD being parked. If you wait until that debacle ends, they can’t sub out to make up for it.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but making career decisions at the absolute worst part of contract negotiations is foolish.

Right now BT has advised that negotiations are no fun, scheduling is trying to shoot holes in the contract, and our scope is under attack. This all sucks. I’d much prefer perusing a TA with 25% pay raises, cash over cap, part 117 rest rules, and a guaranteed rainbow.

However, in the meantime I will approach this job as I have since I’ve been here. When the EB needs a demonstration of unity, I’ll do my part. Until then, I’ll enjoy good scotch, great crews, and bemoan our crappy lines. I’ll decline revisions that don’t pay the contractual premiums when I have the option. My overall approach to getting max return in min time will not change, but I’ll keep an eye on what the EB sees as important. My vote on whatever comes our way will be determined by what’s best for my family (as should yours). There is no benefit in undermining the EB. If they’ve screwed the pooch, we can get a new one.

I think they will do well.

Following the EB is useless.

Think of your worst day ever, at other airlines or the military. That’s what this place is every day.

Take a look over at FedEx, and tell me the virtues of wildcatting and undermining the Union.

As per above, they're not perfect, but they're what we've got (and they are privy to a lot of information we're not). Not following their lead now, at the most critical time, is basically a suicide pact.

My EB speaks for me, 109%, etc. etc.

I've been under the impression that if a pilot union comes out and says no more open time pickups during negotiations that is considered a job action. And that means the company is going to sue the union.

Did I miss something?

Competing with BK for the, “least knowledgeable on how things work around here,” crown?

UPS is testing us: how far can they push, how resilient we are, how easily we start pointing fingers at EB vs UPS. Standard playbook if you’ve listened to the peeps who’ve been to this rodeo multiple times already. You fell right into UPS’ trap. So….golf clap?