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tnkrdrvr 01-26-2026 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by UPSFO4LIFE (Post 3996937)
It’s already been announced the MD is going away. The question is when it goes away?

2033

filler…..

Swedish Blender 01-27-2026 01:34 AM

Apparently all of the management MD people (just talked to one) were just reassigned to other fleets.

Supposedly today is the day they will announce the end.

jetlaggy 01-27-2026 02:05 AM

Md 11 fleet retired as of Dec 31 2025

from the financial statement released today

airplanes 01-27-2026 04:59 AM


Originally Posted by jetlaggy (Post 3997012)
Md 11 fleet retired as of Dec 31 2025

from the financial statement released today

doesn’t sound like any new jet order either.

ramp9 01-27-2026 05:08 AM

Happy to eat crow on this one, I think it was the right move. The real question now is whether they can continue to justify the level of outsourcing. It’s interesting that the expedited MD retirement is being framed as “fleet modernization,” because that’s a very different narrative than a temporary emergency, especially with subcontractors parked on our ramps worldwide.

The CFO said on the call today that we have 15 new 767s coming in 2026, with 18 total on order. It sounds like outsourced lift will continue and only be gradually offset by those deliveries, essentially allowing them to coast down the added cost of external lift over time. So… taste the rainbow. Here’s to another year of scheduling abuse.

Feels like it’s time to hunker down and accept that we’re on the back burner for now. Based on where leverage appears to sit, the next real financial priority looks like the Teamsters, not IPA. Short of something truly disruptive, it’s hard to see this gaining real traction in the near term.

The only real nuclear scenario I see is O’Brien saying “finish IPA or we strike,” but that only happens if it also serves IBT interests. IBT isn’t a charity, so stalled pilot negotiations, the cost and scope of subcontracting, and broader labor strategy would all have to start impacting their ability to get a deal before they’d burn leverage like that.

Emjay 01-27-2026 05:35 AM

It’s now official.

UPSFO4LIFE 01-27-2026 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by airplanes (Post 3997037)
doesn’t sound like any new jet order either.

Nope, new 767’s and contract aircraft probably for a long long long time. UPS gets around scope probably for years and subcontractors in Europe, which is what they have always wanted.

iahflyr 01-27-2026 05:48 AM

No chance that FedEx keeps their MD-11’s now.

ramp9 01-27-2026 06:07 AM

Who’s the mystery buyer of the 35 777F? This article suggests the exemption is tied to the sudden loss of the MD-11.

“This creates a multi-year “freighter gap” just as MD-11Fs exit service and before the 777-8F is available in meaningful numbers. Boeing has warned regulators that without an extension for the current 777F, airlines could face a shortage of large, long-range freighters capable of replacing MD-11 capacity on dense intercontinental routes.

For operators like UPS and FedEx, the timing is critical. Both companies had already signalled plans to phase out MD-11Fs in favour of more fuel-efficient twin-engine aircraft. However, the sudden grounding of a large portion of the global MD-11 fleet compresses those timelines, increasing near-term reliance on existing 767Fs, 777Fs, and leased capacity. While passenger-to-freighter conversions continue to play a role, there is no converted type that fully matches the payload-range economics of the MD-11 on long-haul sectors.”

ReserveCA 01-27-2026 06:14 AM

Will the mothballed 747’s be pulled out of the desert?


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