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06-08-2008 | 10:16 PM

#21

Rocket Bob

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Hope the open time vacuum stops the day they announce their intent to furlough...

06-08-2008 | 10:26 PM

#22

767pilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocket Bob

Hope the open time vacuum stops the day they announce their intent to furlough...

It always has

06-08-2008 | 10:41 PM

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dojetdriver

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Originally Posted by 767pilot

Coming up is a 4 on over to Europe and back, then 8 off. Nine on with two crossings to Europe and another three day weekend in Germany (can you say wine cruise?), and then 8 off.

Just curious. But when you have the long layover like that, do you have to be contactable by the company at all?

06-08-2008 | 10:55 PM

#24

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Originally Posted by dojetdriver

Just curious. But when you have the long layover like that, do you have to be contactable by the company at all?

Not too long ago when I was in Osaka or maybe Incheon I found a message under my door to call crew scheduling... There was also a 'message light' on my phone... Being the junior guy that I was/am - I called them back. I was switched from one scheduler to another and my perception was that they're all shocked I actually called them back and didn’t really know what to do with me since me calling them back was not something they planned for… Apparently that doesn't happen very often, especially on long layovers...

Later when I mentioned this to some more senior guys they seemed to be just as shocked that I actually called crew scheduling from my layover - so maybe that answers your question...

06-09-2008 | 05:48 AM

#25

FlyByCable

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocket Bob

Hope the open time vacuum stops the day they announce their intent to furlough...

IF that were ever to happen under this current contract, the IPA can call for an immediate and LEGAL open time BAN.

06-09-2008 | 07:47 AM

#26

dojetdriver

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From: DD->DH->RU/XE soon to be EV

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Originally Posted by FlyByCable

IF that were ever to happen under this current contract, the IPA can call for an immediate and LEGAL open time BAN.

How is the IPA able to do this where at other places it can be considered an "illegal job action"?

06-09-2008 | 08:29 AM

#27

1800 RVR

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dojetdriver

How is the IPA able to do this where at other places it can be considered an "illegal job action"?

It is in our contract:

13. K. 9. It shall be a violation of this Agreement if the Association engages in any action
to encourage or suggest to its members that they not pick up open time or
decline junior available assignments. This language shall not be applicable
during a time of furlough or furlough announcement. Further, it shall be a
violation of this Agreement if any crewmember(s) takes any action, individually or
collectively, to discourage or interfere with other crewmembers who desire to pick
up open time or accept junior available assignments. Nothing in the preceding
sentence shall limit an individual crewmember’s ability to voice personal
opinions.

06-09-2008 | 08:30 AM

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Tigerpilot1995

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From: SDF A300 FO

Quote:

Originally Posted by dojetdriver

How is the IPA able to do this where at other places it can be considered an "illegal job action"?

It is in our contract.

06-09-2008 | 09:09 AM

#29

dojetdriver

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Originally Posted by 1800 RVR

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigerpilot1995

It is in our contract.

I see, interesting, thanks. So, maybe other airlines may not have had the same provision in their contract. But haven't there been cases where MEC's tried to say no picking up of open time and been faced with "illegal job action" charges?

What I'm getting at is, just because it's not in a contract, how can MEC's get in trouble for it?