AirBear

https://apnews.com/article/ups-teams...ternoon%20Wire

jetlaggy

Pilots start negotiating next year. Should be good timing.

C17B74

If timelines are met, how long thereafter would you expect to nail down a contract or TA? 2025, 2026? Maybe a better question would be how long before the flying group could secure a strike vote like the ground troops? Just curious as your group seems very solid/tight compared to others.

tnkrdrvr

As soon as the EB wanted a strike authorization vote, it would pass. When will they feel it’s the right time? I don’t know

GoodRide

IMO it’s a little early to forecast the time frame for a strike vote, much less a TA - there’s a lot of work still to go surveying the contract landscape.

However, given the unwavering mutual support that the Teamsters and IPA have shown for each other up to this point, it’s fair to assume the message has already been sent.

The UPS Teamsters strike would have been the largest ever, and while our membership is almost exactly 100x smaller than the Teamsters, we operate a large majority of the company’s assets.

As stated in the EB video today, it’s not lost on the Teamsters leadership or the company that IPA pilots were less than a week away from exercising our contractual right to honor a legal strike by another property union group. The ability to support the other unions in this manner at a heavily-unionized UPS gives the IPA added leverage that no other pilot group has. We showed ahead of time that our members were prepared to stand in solidarity and cease all work for the company, including flying, training, and deadheading for company business - in spite of the financial repercussions from doing so. This included standing up a dedicated strike ops room in our Louisville office, adding strike ops features to our app, and scheduling time to have the membership call into our call center to conduct a network stress test.

In return, we can count on Teamsters support when we go to the table next year.

My thanks to the EB for deftly navigating the issues surrounding the negotiations, the SOC members for their superb efforts keeping us prepared and informed, and, most importantly, congrats to the Teamsters on their TA. I was among those fortunate to spend one day in your shoes during indoc, and that was enough to convince me you’ve earned every benefit and shekel you’ve asked for.

C2078

Not expecting anything before 2027, maybe 2028. The legacies will be negotiating their 2nd contract before we have a new one.

jetlaggy

Wow. I expected you to say 2030…u surprised me. 😀

MD11Simnerd

The 1998 contract became amendable December 31st, 2003. The 2006 contract was signed in September 2006. 2 years, 9 months.

The 2006 contract became amendable December 31st, 2011. The 2016 contract was signed in September 2016. 4 years, 9 months.
Both agreements had language to enter into expedited negotiations in July prior to amendable date.

The 2016 contract became amendable September 1st, 2021 with new language to to jointly file for mediation 10 days after the amendable date. This language was repeated in both extensions with the last extension indicating that a joint mediation will be filed 10 days after September 1st, 2025.

Strike votes for both prior contracts were conducted and overwhelmingly passed. I could not find the date of the strike vote prior to the 2006 contract, as I remember, it was later in the process. October 2015 was when the strike vote was held in reference to the 2016 contract.

If we enter full section six negotiations, the normal timeline for a strike vote would be well into the future, late 2027 after extensive negotiations. I would not expect anything that the membership would be interested in voting in favor of would be put out to vote until 9-15 months after a strike vote and extensive mediated talks.

Some very basics of the role of the NMB in mediation.
https://nmb.gov/NMB_Application/inde...-overview-faq/

UPSFO4LIFE

My guess is we see nothing until at least 2028 timeframe.

C17B74

Yowza, quite a bit more intricate than I expected. Appreciate all the insight from all of you. Very informative. May they meet your expectations/requirements the first time vs the drag out strategies we have become accustomed too.