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Old 06-11-2016, 12:56 PM
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And what if they were loosing control of the airplane right at or just above V1? Then what? Go off the runway accelerating, or go off the runway decelerating? Then what, mister wise NURP?
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Old 06-11-2016, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by aflouisville View Post
You have to make that abort decision mentally before V1 so it is physically accomplished prior to passing V1.
Not my understanding of how V1 is computed. Unless you guys do it differently. You must make the decision before v1 so you can take action by V1 but Boeing charts are based on an engine failure 1 sec prior to V1.

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Old 06-11-2016, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by aflouisville View Post
You have to make that abort decision mentally before V1 so it is physically accomplished prior to passing V1.
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Not my understanding of how V1 is computed. Unless you guys do it differently. You must make the decision before v1 so you can take action by V1 but Boeing charts are based on an engine failure 1 sec prior to V1.
I believe both of you are making valid statements. By definition, the recognition/decision must occur prior to V1 so that actions to configure the aircraft to stop begin NLT than V1 (prior to passing it).

A former airline had us call "V1" 5 knots prior to account for this.
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Old 06-11-2016, 03:36 PM
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The so called NURPS have never been involved in a fatal or serious accident at UPS
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Originally Posted by aflouisville View Post
Call it what you want. They probably saw a light or got a warning up near V1 and decided to abort too late.

And you know this how ?

If a nose tire failed, and they initiated the abort prior to V1, but the a/c was unable to stop in the remaining runway because of worn brakes, tires, and a faulty anti-skid system.

Or any of a number of other factors that could have happened.

I'd rather wait for the official findings. Maybe you should to.
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Old 06-11-2016, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by aflouisville View Post
The so called NURPS have never been involved in a fatal or serious accident at UPS
Not a UPS guy, but from what I've heard is that it's only because they either only fly the easy trips, or an IPA pilot has been there to save their bacon. Either way, you seem like an idiot.
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Old 06-11-2016, 03:49 PM
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Not a UPS guy, but from what I've heard is that it's only because they either only fly the easy trips, or an IPA pilot has been there to save their bacon. Either way, you seem like an idiot.
I flew on 4 different a/c at UPS for the better part of 30 years as both a line check airman and sim check airman. I never needed an IPA pilot to save my bacon
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Originally Posted by aflouisville View Post
The so called NURPS have never been involved in a fatal or serious accident at UPS
That's an impressive record.

I hope you never have to retract your idiotic bravado.

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Old 06-11-2016, 03:51 PM
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The so called NURPS have never been involved in a fatal or serious accident at UPS
Yeah, only a ton of incidents, like tail strikes, an ATB due to insufficient fuel out of HNL, flying with out O2 mask on above FL410, airspace violations, and on and on. Not to mention they have not flown a plane which has self ignited due to hazardous material. Oh, and we did have a NURP get his ticket pulled because of a flight out of MHR to RNO. Yeah, you're such stellar examples. Nice try though. GMAFB.
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Yeah, only a ton of incidents, like tail strikes, ATB's due to insufficient fuel, flying with out O2 mask on above FL410, airspace violations, and on and on. Not to mention they have not flown a plane which has self ignited due to hazardous material. Nice try though. GMAFB.
You forgot that they couldn't even depart because they torched two engines during the start ... That was a classic !

But I digress



And the hazmat happened TWICE, lucky for them it wasn't a SYR turn.
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