I can see how a pilot with a military tactical background or a 91/135 pilot that needed spoonfed at FSI to pass might struggle a bit...but bottom line is they aren't trying to wash newhires out.

I thought Bus training was pretty gentlemanly...

I've had some great training at UPS and some not so great. With displacements and realignments, the only type rating I need is the Airbus.

The one constant is the source material is poor. It hasn't gotten any better in the electronic versions if you ask me.

All that being said, it has always been a cooperate, put in the effort and they will get you through the system.

Has that gone away ?

Not as of when I went through and considering nothing ever changes here...

I think that training at UPS was pretty similar to the training I received at Delta, with one exception...FMS training.

At Delta, when you went from a "steam gauge" aircraft to any version of a glass cockpit (as I did from the 727 to the MD-88), you went to FMS school for two days (this was back in the early 2000's). You did nothing but FMS programming/route mods/etc, for those two days. They taught you to load the FMS a certain way every time, and that's how you did it. You alternated legs with the Capt, and he loaded the box on his legs, so he would be proficient at it.

At UPS, there is no such thing as FMS school...you kind of learn as you go. Not exactly optimal for someone with no FMS/glass experience. On the line, the Capt never loads the box. The FO does it every time, and because of that, they ended up making the Capt load the box during recurrent training, because some were not so proficient when they had to as a JA2 to the right seat.

Luckily for me during new hire training, the FMS on the 757 at UPS was identical to the FMS on the MD-88 at Delta, so it was easy for me. For others, not so much.

There have been some who have had problems with reading the round dials after coming from more advanced RJs. A good sim prep is money well spent.

Hey guys I just did the online application. I have 17 years 121 jet experience. Most of it domestic. 13k hours. I got an immediate reply saying thanks but we have many qualified applicants. The only thing I can think that would generate this message is the fact I only have an associates degree. Will they shoot you down just for that? Thanks.

Under the UPS pilot job posting one of the preferred requirements listed is a bachelor's degree. So unfortunately yes, not having one will most likely DQ one from working at UPS until they can't recruit enough qualified people with a bachelor's degree.

I have a Master's degree and got the same immediate website response. I took it as a standard template that everyone must get. However, it's possible they have a template set up to automatically filter apps. Maybe they didn't like my hours in the last 12 months. All my other stuff I'm sure is in line with the "desired" response. Is there anyone who recently did the application online but DIDN'T get that reply from the website as soon as they hit submit? It wasn't an email, it was just a webpage.