rickair7777

Almost but not quite...

If you failed a 141 stage check that would not be known to the FAA (at least not yet as far as I know). But if an employer contacted your old school, it might come to light.

Here's what I observed: My flight school tended to hire their own graduates. When they applied for airline jobs, the school would get PRIA requests. The minimum-wage chick who answered the phones knew nothing of FARs or PRIA, so she would just photocopy the CFI's ENTIRE record, including his 141 TRAINING records from his student days, and send that to the airline. Not correct, but typical. If you never worked for the school you trained at, then there will be no PRIA with that school.

Actually the easiest way for an interviewer to spot a 141 EOC bust is to look at your logbook. It's important to recall that in 141 the CFI who signs you off to take the EOC CANNOT also be the examiner...

9/16/20XX: Dual flight with CFI John Doe, various maneuvers logged.

9/17/20XX: Dual Flight with CFI Joe Blow, various maneuvers logged.

9/18/20XX: Dual flight with CFI John Doe, certain maneuvers logged.

9/19/20XX: Dual Flight with CFI Joe Blow, Logged completion of stage check XXX, Certificate Issued.

If you can't see what obviously happened here, I'll spell it out. Final prep flight and sign-off with John on 9/16. EOC on 9/17 with Joe ("incomplete", ie failure), re-training on 9/18 with John on the failed maneuvers, retest on 9/19 with Joe (passed this time).

If you're going to lie about 141 checkride busts, be sure to take a razor blade and carefully cut out the offending page from your logbook :sarcasm:

tom11011

Those aren't failures, those are simply opportunities for growth. Its all in the way you answer things.

rickair7777

Spin it for the positive at the interview. But don't believe your own hype for a second: Everybody's got an excuse these days and nobody can understand why they didn't get a trophy too. You FAILED. Own it. Learn from it. Don't let it happen again.

Otherwise you next "pink slip" might be signed by the coroner instead of a DPE.

tom11011

This is advice for other people, not us. I haven't failed anything. :)

JamesNoBrakes

Maybe, but even in the 141 environment it's somewhat normal to send a student up with another instructor or a check-instructor before the "real" stage check, just to see if they are ready, so flying with a bunch of different guys is not necessarily a red flag, although the more instructors they fly with, the less I'd think of the school as a whole.

Aquaticus

Your EOC ride at a part 141 school with self examining authority is granting you a license or cert based on you completing their approved course/program and not on a demonstration of ability. You fill out an 8710, the schools examiner signs it off, and they attach a certificate stating that you passed the course to FAA. It is one of the huge benefits of doing training part 141. It is still in your logbook and it can be found but it is really a non-event.

Std Deviation

I've got an article coming out in Professional Pilot Magazine on this topic - the "new PRIA." It's an electronic database that follows you for life. Checkride failures and written test results will be available at the click of a button. This info is presently on microfiche. Was supposed to run in October but now the editor is telling me November. The electronic database is the provision of HR5900 that few people are aware of. No more records expunged after five years. Life. And corporate operators need to report poor performance to PRIA under the rules.