New TA
10-26-2015 | 08:07 AM
#111
veut gagner à la loterie
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From: Light Chop
That whole thought process cracks me up. If the DALPA Old Guard believes this then they are in denial.
The TA failed because 66% of the Pilots saw it as lacking. Period. No secret DPA meeting at midnight, in a clearing, under a full moon, dancing around a bonfire, burning DALPA Officers in effigy had anything to do with it.
Scoop
The TA failed because 66% of the Pilots saw it as lacking. Period. No secret DPA meeting at midnight, in a clearing, under a full moon, dancing around a bonfire, burning DALPA Officers in effigy had anything to do with it.
Scoop
10-26-2015 | 09:33 AM
#113
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: May 2014
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I'm been trying to do the DALPA survey and it got me thinking. Both on here and ChitChat I see the discussion about restoration. But for someone fairly new like me, that did not directly experience the pre- and then post-BK days, what is considered restoration? What did you have that you wish you never gave up for pay raises? Even as someone fairly new to the industry, asking for and giving concessions in record breaking profits blows my mind. I also know that giving up QOL items for simple pay rates is irreversible, that once you give those up, you may never get them back. I'm just trying to gain an understanding of how far the industry has fallen, what you used to have, and what we could potentially gain on the next TA (if we can get the right people voted in). I do know this, for those 65% of you that voted "No," thank you. I've got over 20 years left here and appreciate you not pulling up the ladder and realizing that it's not only about the pay rates.
10-26-2015 | 09:44 AM
#114
Racketeer
Joined: Mar 2015
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From: N60.4858 W149.9327
I'm been trying to do the DALPA survey and it got me thinking. Both on here and ChitChat I see the discussion about restoration. But for someone fairly new like me, that did not directly experience the pre- and then post-BK days, what is considered restoration? What did you have that you wish you never gave up for pay raises? Even as someone fairly new to the industry, asking for and giving concessions in record breaking profits blows my mind. I also know that giving up QOL items for simple pay rates is irreversible, that once you give those up, you may never get them back. I'm just trying to gain an understanding of how far the industry has fallen, what you used to have, and what we could potentially gain on the next TA (if we can get the right people voted in). I do know this, for those 65% of you that voted "No," thank you. I've got over 20 years left here and appreciate you not pulling up the ladder and realizing that it's not only about the pay rates.
10-26-2015 | 10:01 AM
#115
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jun 2007
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From: 7ER Capt
It's funny Herc, some of us are considered wacko's for shouting RESTORATION, yet it was totally reasonable during C2K... you know, when OUR union was asking us to rally around RESTORATION... from Contract 96... not from the draconian cuts we took in BK. (I am currently wearing my RESTORATION C2K tie pin.)
And we achieved monetary restoration when we were barely making a profit...
So today we are making profits never before seen in the industry, and yet we have guys who are afraid to utter the word RESTORATION... this is beyond my abilities to comprehend.
I say:
FULL RESTORATION.
NO CONCESSIONS.
PERIOD!
Sam DeRosa
0961094 (Scott Martin write-in)
Jimmy Johnson
Chris
Kern
And we achieved monetary restoration when we were barely making a profit...
So today we are making profits never before seen in the industry, and yet we have guys who are afraid to utter the word RESTORATION... this is beyond my abilities to comprehend.
I say:
FULL RESTORATION.
NO CONCESSIONS.
PERIOD!
Sam DeRosa
0961094 (Scott Martin write-in)
Jimmy Johnson
Chris
Kern
10-26-2015 | 10:39 AM
#116
Thread Starter
alto
Joined: Oct 2015
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From: M88
Why are there so many smarta$$es on here?
If you are dumb enough to think I'm looking for a 51% vote then I won't even refute your post. Who would be looking for rock bottom?
Yeah I'm negotiating against my own pay raise...you figured me out.
I will say this....if you think you will get more than 20% DOS plus 4-5% raises per year, raises plus current profit sharing then I'd like to hear your plan to get it. It doesn't matter how much I want to buy a new corvette for $20k they will not sell it to me. It also doesn't matter if you want a 50% pay raise, that hasn't happened...ever. But I'll bet you are willing to hold out for it! Let's say we hold out 10 years and Delta laughs when they give you your 50% raise. That's 5%/year and the lost retirement inputs for annual increased wages, work rules will NEVER be recovered. Or we could negotiate 3-25% contracts during that time worth 75% increase with raises all along he way. You will still choose your 50% and think your ahead because you thumped your chest and held out for a huge number and
they "agreed".
If you are dumb enough to think I'm looking for a 51% vote then I won't even refute your post. Who would be looking for rock bottom?
Yeah I'm negotiating against my own pay raise...you figured me out.
I will say this....if you think you will get more than 20% DOS plus 4-5% raises per year, raises plus current profit sharing then I'd like to hear your plan to get it. It doesn't matter how much I want to buy a new corvette for $20k they will not sell it to me. It also doesn't matter if you want a 50% pay raise, that hasn't happened...ever. But I'll bet you are willing to hold out for it! Let's say we hold out 10 years and Delta laughs when they give you your 50% raise. That's 5%/year and the lost retirement inputs for annual increased wages, work rules will NEVER be recovered. Or we could negotiate 3-25% contracts during that time worth 75% increase with raises all along he way. You will still choose your 50% and think your ahead because you thumped your chest and held out for a huge number and
they "agreed".
10-26-2015 | 11:01 AM
#117
Thread Starter
alto
Joined: Oct 2015
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From: M88
Where in this post do you see that I am not wanting to share in the profits? I ABSOLUTELY want C2k back as a starting point. Plus raise on top. We have lost a fortune to get nflatiin plus pension.
You also had a pension with C2K. Don't feel so bad about sharing in the companies profits. When we aren't profitable you wont share this burden. So again, the goal is restoration. Everyone else is restored. Management more so than others. The industry doesn't need concessions to be profitable. Go get yourself an orange lanyard my friend.
10-26-2015 | 11:22 AM
#118
Weekend and Holiday Pilot
Joined: Jan 2007
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From: Sippin' at the Troubadour
10-26-2015 | 11:24 AM
#120
Thread Starter
alto
Joined: Oct 2015
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From: M88
BECAUSE...nobody ever responds to what I actually write they post all this crap that I never typed and try to lecture me on restoration. I want restoration like everyone else. That is a nebulous goal is all I am saying. We never say what we actually want...and surprise, we never get it either. All I am saying is that yelling about restoration without a logical plan to get it is simply that yelling. No one here has mentioned any kind of a good plan and ALPA (is it okay with you to capitalize ALPA)? Certainly didn't have one. John Malone likely will have a good plan, we will see.
